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Does anyone know where I can get an English copy of Berlin's Bundeskleingartengesetz? I manage a community garden in Montreal and love the idea of BBQ and beer

Does anyone know where I can get an English copy of Berlin's Bundeskleingartengesetz? I manage a community garden in Montreal and love the idea of BBQ and beers in the evening, but the city, (who owns the land), is not ok with drinking at the garden, (or cooking, in general).

kayoone 7y ago
If you haven't tried it, Google translate does a really good job with translating german law texts.
- patrickk 7y ago
  That's likely because Google trains the algorithm on EU parliament texts, which are published in all the official EU languages by human translators, among other sources.
  - Scoundreller 7y ago
    And before that, French to/from English because Canadian governments did the same thing for their laws/treaties since... forever?
yorwba 7y ago
I think it's unlikely you'll be able to find a ready-made translation for free, since it's very niche. Gesetze-im-Internet has translations of the more important laws, but for the Bundeskleingartengesetz there's only the German version: https://www.gesetze-im-internet.de/bkleingg/BJNR002100983.html https://www.gesetze-im-internet.de/bkleingg/BJNR002100983.ht... If you want a translation (to convince Montreal to adopt similar laws?) you'll need to find someone to translate it for you.
- jbeales 7y ago
  Thanks for the link. I may be able to convince someone to translate if Google isn't good enough. If that page is the whole set of laws then it's really not so many rules as the article makes out - our rules in Montreal are probably just as long. I'm going to see if I can cherry-pick the best parts for my little corner of Montreal.
  - yorwba 7y ago
    Well, that's the federal law. There are also additional regulations by the city of Berlin https://www.berlin.de/senuvk/umwelt/stadtgruen/kleingaerten/de/gesetze/index.shtml https://www.berlin.de/senuvk/umwelt/stadtgruen/kleingaerten/... and each local association has their own bylaws, e.g. for the borough of Charlottenburg: http://charlottenburger-kleingartenverband.de/pdf/Satzung%20vom%2026.05.2018.pdf http://charlottenburger-kleingartenverband.de/pdf/Satzung%20...
    - jbeales 7y ago
      Excellent, thanks! I Google Translated the federal law, and it seems to be mostly about how leases are dealt with. I also did some Googling and found what I think is the garden in the article, although there seems to be a few gardens in Wedding. They're big compared to what we have here in Montreal.
  - pizzapill 7y ago
    deepl.com works way better than Google translate. At least for German => English I doubt you find much about alcohol consumption in this law since in Germany you are allowed to drink in public at 16 years old (14 with your parents)

kayoone 7y ago

If you haven't tried it, Google translate does a really good job with translating german law texts.

patrickk 7y ago
That's likely because Google trains the algorithm on EU parliament texts, which are published in all the official EU languages by human translators, among other sources.
- Scoundreller 7y ago
  And before that, French to/from English because Canadian governments did the same thing for their laws/treaties since... forever?

yorwba 7y ago

I think it's unlikely you'll be able to find a ready-made translation for free, since it's very niche. Gesetze-im-Internet has translations of the more important laws, but for the Bundeskleingartengesetz there's only the German version: https://www.gesetze-im-internet.de/bkleingg/BJNR002100983.html https://www.gesetze-im-internet.de/bkleingg/BJNR002100983.ht... If you want a translation (to convince Montreal to adopt similar laws?) you'll need to find someone to translate it for you.

jbeales 7y ago
Thanks for the link. I may be able to convince someone to translate if Google isn't good enough. If that page is the whole set of laws then it's really not so many rules as the article makes out - our rules in Montreal are probably just as long. I'm going to see if I can cherry-pick the best parts for my little corner of Montreal.
- yorwba 7y ago
  Well, that's the federal law. There are also additional regulations by the city of Berlin https://www.berlin.de/senuvk/umwelt/stadtgruen/kleingaerten/de/gesetze/index.shtml https://www.berlin.de/senuvk/umwelt/stadtgruen/kleingaerten/... and each local association has their own bylaws, e.g. for the borough of Charlottenburg: http://charlottenburger-kleingartenverband.de/pdf/Satzung%20vom%2026.05.2018.pdf http://charlottenburger-kleingartenverband.de/pdf/Satzung%20...
  - jbeales 7y ago
    Excellent, thanks! I Google Translated the federal law, and it seems to be mostly about how leases are dealt with. I also did some Googling and found what I think is the garden in the article, although there seems to be a few gardens in Wedding. They're big compared to what we have here in Montreal.
- pizzapill 7y ago
  deepl.com works way better than Google translate. At least for German => English I doubt you find much about alcohol consumption in this law since in Germany you are allowed to drink in public at 16 years old (14 with your parents)