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This guy was attacked for having a picture where he used the OK sign a year ago? Everyone knows what the OK sign means and it isn’t “white power” except in a 4c

This guy was attacked for having a picture where he used the OK sign a year ago? Everyone knows what the OK sign means and it isn’t “white power” except in a 4chan meme. And only people who are heavily plugged into politics know about that meme, normal people keep using the symbol for what it’s always meant. Context is key with any hand symbol. I read the whole article and there didn’t seem to be any evidence of white supremacy either? Just an assertion that “move fast and break things” is somehow connected and similar other vague statements.

matwood 7y ago
> Context is key with any hand symbol. I was about to write that context is critical with all these secret hand signs. Apparently people who think any ok sign is some secret symbol have never watched a basketball game before.
- fernandotakai 7y ago
  or played the circle game when they were kids/pre-teens. i mean, even malcolm in the middle had a whole episode dedicated to it[0] [0] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1glTOFPECNI https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1glTOFPECNI
Illniyar 7y ago
As far as I can tell there wasn't any. Evidence of white supremacy I mean. The "instigating event" apparently opened the floodgates of people who felt marginalized and ostracized by the react community. I couldn't really figure out who those people are, and what events/situations they were referring to. I think it was mostly about women and misogyny after the initial blowout. Though I can't really pinpoint anything. This is actually quite frustrating as someone looking from the outside - no one is really saying what it's about but everyone is acting as if it's a very big deal.
- barrkel 7y ago
  Performative outrage is a social currency. There may be something there, but outrage can easily become an end in itself. (I have no dog in this hunt, haven't looked at it at all, it's just a social dynamic that I've seen playing out several times, especially in Twitter pile-ons based on limited or misleading quotes.)
  - teddyh 7y ago
    Paraphrasing George Orwell, the object of outrage is outrage. The object of power is power.
- JansjoFromIkea 7y ago
  From what I could see it was the negative focus on Ken Wheeler resulted in a lot of people who found his manner pretty grating abruptly felt comfortable expressing this. (tbh I'm surprised it hadn't happened earlier, guy seems like a good egg but I find him pretty obnoxious). Their dislike, got conflated with the initial hypothesis and at that point you have hundreds of people confused about what's happening and writing up their own rough guesses. Some actual racists began messaging in support of what they interpreted the events as, misrepresenting Ken and others in the process. About 95% of it is just the general toxicity of Twitter reaching a part of the website that generally avoids it.
wokwokwok 7y ago
oh come, go be outraged somewhere else. - some stuff went down - people said things they shouldn't have - end result, react team says: We now have a CoC If people had been able to behave themselves in a way that was appropriate, we wouldn't be in this situation... but we are, because they couldn't. Who really cares about who said what and if they meant it? End result: badness happened. Maybe we can just all move on and get on with doing stuff like, writing code and stuff and stop drumming up more drama? I'm serious though, this is trolling 101; if you make a fuss about it, and pay lots of attention to it, it makes things worse. Are you trying to make things worse? If the answer is no, then don't respond like this, because it's literally just stirring up trouble. If the answer is yes, then please, do it somewhere else.
- javagram 7y ago
  I disagree. Stirring up trouble is going fishing for 4chan memes and then attacking normal, non-political people because they used a “OK symbol” which is a completely normal hand symbol in their culture. As far as the switch from one CoC to another (React already had a CoC since 2017), I’m not sure what difference it makes. A CoC is just a piece of paper, if it’s going to be enforced against people for inoffensive actions, that’s concerning, if it’s only going to be used for common sense (banning people who are mean or trolling) then I have no issue. What happens with a CoC is unknown but I doubt it will have much bad effect as other projects have adopted it and then not needed to do anything.
davidde 7y ago
Amusingly another well known weight lifting React programmer used the 'ok' symbol in its normal context in relation to the scandal and had to apologise immediately. https://mobile.twitter.com/marcysutton/status/1166147292769980416 https://mobile.twitter.com/marcysutton/status/11661472927699... 4chan truly have won in the USA

matwood 7y ago

> Context is key with any hand symbol. I was about to write that context is critical with all these secret hand signs. Apparently people who think any ok sign is some secret symbol have never watched a basketball game before.

fernandotakai 7y ago
or played the circle game when they were kids/pre-teens. i mean, even malcolm in the middle had a whole episode dedicated to it[0] [0] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1glTOFPECNI https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1glTOFPECNI

Illniyar 7y ago

As far as I can tell there wasn't any. Evidence of white supremacy I mean. The "instigating event" apparently opened the floodgates of people who felt marginalized and ostracized by the react community. I couldn't really figure out who those people are, and what events/situations they were referring to. I think it was mostly about women and misogyny after the initial blowout. Though I can't really pinpoint anything. This is actually quite frustrating as someone looking from the outside - no one is really saying what it's about but everyone is acting as if it's a very big deal.

barrkel 7y ago
Performative outrage is a social currency. There may be something there, but outrage can easily become an end in itself. (I have no dog in this hunt, haven't looked at it at all, it's just a social dynamic that I've seen playing out several times, especially in Twitter pile-ons based on limited or misleading quotes.)
- teddyh 7y ago
  Paraphrasing George Orwell, the object of outrage is outrage. The object of power is power.
JansjoFromIkea 7y ago
From what I could see it was the negative focus on Ken Wheeler resulted in a lot of people who found his manner pretty grating abruptly felt comfortable expressing this. (tbh I'm surprised it hadn't happened earlier, guy seems like a good egg but I find him pretty obnoxious). Their dislike, got conflated with the initial hypothesis and at that point you have hundreds of people confused about what's happening and writing up their own rough guesses. Some actual racists began messaging in support of what they interpreted the events as, misrepresenting Ken and others in the process. About 95% of it is just the general toxicity of Twitter reaching a part of the website that generally avoids it.

wokwokwok 7y ago

oh come, go be outraged somewhere else. - some stuff went down - people said things they shouldn't have - end result, react team says: We now have a CoC If people had been able to behave themselves in a way that was appropriate, we wouldn't be in this situation... but we are, because they couldn't. Who really cares about who said what and if they meant it? End result: badness happened. Maybe we can just all move on and get on with doing stuff like, writing code and stuff and stop drumming up more drama? I'm serious though, this is trolling 101; if you make a fuss about it, and pay lots of attention to it, it makes things worse. Are you trying to make things worse? If the answer is no, then don't respond like this, because it's literally just stirring up trouble. If the answer is yes, then please, do it somewhere else.

javagram 7y ago
I disagree. Stirring up trouble is going fishing for 4chan memes and then attacking normal, non-political people because they used a “OK symbol” which is a completely normal hand symbol in their culture. As far as the switch from one CoC to another (React already had a CoC since 2017), I’m not sure what difference it makes. A CoC is just a piece of paper, if it’s going to be enforced against people for inoffensive actions, that’s concerning, if it’s only going to be used for common sense (banning people who are mean or trolling) then I have no issue. What happens with a CoC is unknown but I doubt it will have much bad effect as other projects have adopted it and then not needed to do anything.

davidde 7y ago

Amusingly another well known weight lifting React programmer used the 'ok' symbol in its normal context in relation to the scandal and had to apologise immediately. https://mobile.twitter.com/marcysutton/status/1166147292769980416 https://mobile.twitter.com/marcysutton/status/11661472927699... 4chan truly have won in the USA