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> You should expect to train and mentor ... I've always thought so too. But it doesn't seem like any companies really buy into this any more.

Aeolun 7y ago
Not if you have to pay them a 150k starting salary!
- shagie 7y ago
  ... Or if they start looking for a new job within a few weeks of starting (the idea of getting 3-4 jobs in the first 2-3 years with increased compensation each step). After getting a few hires that only stay for 6-12 months, its a question of "is it worth it to put in the time to mentor them if they're going to be gone shortly afterwards?"
  - flukus 7y ago
    > ... Or if they start looking for a new job within a few weeks of starting (the idea of getting 3-4 jobs in the first 2-3 years with increased compensation each step). This is half tragedy of the commons of so few companies offering training and half companies being so god awful at offering raises as employees gain experience.
    - Nasrudith 7y ago
      Sounds to me like "the tragedy of you being a dick" to paraphrase a xkcd. They caused all of their problems through their policies (not keeping existing competive with new hires, refusal to consider lesser experience, expecting loyalty without any give) and it came to bite them yet they don't want to take any effort to fix them in any way.
  - michaelbrave 7y ago
    Perhaps this is part of why people don't stay longer?
    - shagie 7y ago
      At this point, its hard to point to one being the cause and the other being the effect. It has also lead to companies doing the "we only hire mid to senior level because the entry level is too flaky" which also alleviates much of the need for mentoring new grads. It also produces the interviews where people are asking about the passion for the particular domain that the company is in, in hopes that passion will keep them around longer. That said, if someone is planning only staying for 6-12 months regardless of the company's current pay and mentoring practices, I would agree with the "job hopping came first" as an artifact of the dot com boom days when everyone was trying to one up everyone else.
  - Aeolun 7y ago
    That’s kind of your own fault for hiring someone with a history of 2 month positions though :P

Aeolun 7y ago

Not if you have to pay them a 150k starting salary!

shagie 7y ago
... Or if they start looking for a new job within a few weeks of starting (the idea of getting 3-4 jobs in the first 2-3 years with increased compensation each step). After getting a few hires that only stay for 6-12 months, its a question of "is it worth it to put in the time to mentor them if they're going to be gone shortly afterwards?"
- flukus 7y ago
  > ... Or if they start looking for a new job within a few weeks of starting (the idea of getting 3-4 jobs in the first 2-3 years with increased compensation each step). This is half tragedy of the commons of so few companies offering training and half companies being so god awful at offering raises as employees gain experience.
  - Nasrudith 7y ago
    Sounds to me like "the tragedy of you being a dick" to paraphrase a xkcd. They caused all of their problems through their policies (not keeping existing competive with new hires, refusal to consider lesser experience, expecting loyalty without any give) and it came to bite them yet they don't want to take any effort to fix them in any way.
- michaelbrave 7y ago
  Perhaps this is part of why people don't stay longer?
  - shagie 7y ago
    At this point, its hard to point to one being the cause and the other being the effect. It has also lead to companies doing the "we only hire mid to senior level because the entry level is too flaky" which also alleviates much of the need for mentoring new grads. It also produces the interviews where people are asking about the passion for the particular domain that the company is in, in hopes that passion will keep them around longer. That said, if someone is planning only staying for 6-12 months regardless of the company's current pay and mentoring practices, I would agree with the "job hopping came first" as an artifact of the dot com boom days when everyone was trying to one up everyone else.
- Aeolun 7y ago
  That’s kind of your own fault for hiring someone with a history of 2 month positions though :P