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Such cheap flights are possible because the airlines aren’t paying the externalities they cause. Ryanair don’t fly to London btw. Or Brussels.
by isostatic 7y ago
Such cheap flights are possible because the airlines aren’t paying the externalities they cause.
Ryanair don’t fly to London btw. Or Brussels.
- andrepd 7y agoThey do, to Stanstead and Luton.
- crispyporkbites 7y agoStanstead and Luton are 30-40 miles from London
- andrepd 7y agoThey're 45m-1h by train from Central London.
- isostatic 7y agoBirmingham airport is 1h06 from Central London Brussels itself is only 1h54 from central London!
- scarejunba 7y agoOkay, yeah, but if you were in London, you were flying out of Heathrow, Gatwick, Stansted, or rarely London City. It took longer for me to get from Tower Bridge to Heathrow than to Gatwick. I don't fly Ryan Air, though. Abhor the air line, but they let my parents take me to Europe when I was younger so there's that. And that distance stuff is normal, because on the longer distances you're going on high-speed trains. If you were a Millwall (a London team) fan who lived just south of The Den and by some divine chance you were to play Arsenal (another London team) at The Emirates (god forbid), it'd take you just as long by transit to get there as it would take someone who's commuting from Market Harborough (80 miles North) to St. Pancras (London's big international rail terminus). But it's laughable to claim that Market Harborough is part of London or that either of the Emirates and the Den are not.
- fyfy18 7y agoThey are less than 1 hour by train, which is about the same as to Heathrow from Oxford Circus. In terms of passenger numbers they are the 4th (STN) and 5th (LTN) busiest airports in the UK, and 22nd and 35th in Europe.
- sprafa 7y agoYou have no idea what you’re talking about and you’re embarrassing yourself. Going to those airports is piss easy and they are 2 of the 4 airports that serve this city.
- dantheman 7y agoWhat externalities are they not paying for that other airlines are? Or is this a complain against all airlines?
- avip 7y agoHe’s provably referring to ghg emissions, and sure no one pays that (it’s also not something we can conceivably pay for)
- isostatic 7y agoQuite possible for Europe to charge landing fees based on ghg emissions for all planes arriving/departing.
- avip 7y agoI’m all for charging fees (especially when the chargee is not me), but fees don’t put CO2 back in the ground.
- isostatic 7y agoThe point is they act as a deterrent. The money raised can be used to mitigate the effects of the emissions.
- benatkin 7y agoThat would be great. I think if they were being aggressive enough, there would probably be less demand for airport expansion, because there would be fewer flights. I don't currently see any way to curtail the carbon from the airline industry that wouldn't involve raising the price so drastically that people would fly less often.
- zaphod4prez 7y agoCap and trade does in fact make it so that polluters pay for ghg emissions. Why do you say that we can't "conceivably pay for"?
- jdietrich 7y agoThey don't serve that route, but they do fly from three airports in London (Gatwick, Stansted and Luton) and from Brussels. https://www.ryanair.com/gb/en/cheap-flight-destinations https://www.ryanair.com/gb/en/cheap-flight-destinations
- 7952 7y agoNone of those airports are actually in London.
- sprafa 7y agoLol wtf? Only one airport is “in” london and that’s London City. Which is an expensive thing mostly made for bankers to go to Frankfurt etc. I assure you all those airports serve London. I live here
- 7952 7y agoYeah, I know it's just semantics. I have wasted too much of my time in delayed trains trying to get into London to believe that. And based on travel times you could add some other airports to that list of London Airports. Southampton Airport is faster to get to than Stansted or Luton for a lot of Londoners. And with HS2 BHX could probably change its name too.
- tcharlton 7y agoLondon Ashford is closer to France. I wonder if the airport would close if the CEO admitted that...
- sprafa 7y agoI had no idea there was such a thing!
- sprafa 7y agoI’ve never had a Stansted Express be late more than 10 min, and I live in east london so it’s super fast to get to Liverpool St. I suppose your travel time varies a lot.
- georgiecasey 7y agoif you're saying stansted and gatwick aren't really in london, then neither is heathrow. it's a small list of airlines that fly to/from london city airport
- briandear 7y agoWhat externalities are those and exactly how much are they worth? What is the precise monetary amount and how did you calculate it? And did you price in the value of that traveler to the destination? How about the value of the resources not consumed if that traveler would have stayed home? It’s complicated. It isn’t so naïve as just “externalities of the airplane.”
- sprafa 7y agoThey don’t fly to london? I live in London and I fly Ryanair from london Stansted all the time
- peteretep 7y ago> Ryanair don’t fly to London btw https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Airports_of_London https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Airports_of_London