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I think the more interesting lesson to learn from this was how Ratner was able to deal and cope with the public embarrassment following the mishap. It reminds

I think the more interesting lesson to learn from this was how Ratner was able to deal and cope with the public embarrassment following the mishap. It reminds me of this TED talk where Jon Ronson talks about how public shaming has gone out of control with the advent of social media: https://www.ted.com/talks/jon_ronson_what_happens_when_online_shaming_spirals_out_of_control?language=en https://www.ted.com/talks/jon_ronson_what_happens_when_onlin...

dragontamer 7y ago
Actually, the best "public shaming" talk I've seen are the ones given by Monica Lewinsky. When you consider that Monica Lewinsky was 22 years old during the time of the scandal, a lot of the stuff going on was simply outside of her control. Seeing things from her perspective is pretty interesting, to say the least: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Yq7Eh6JTKIg https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Yq7Eh6JTKIg John Oliver starts the discussion, but there is a Lewinsky interview which is very eye-opening for me.
- minikites 7y ago
  Monica Lewinsky is an infinitely stronger person than most of us and I'm glad she's able to approach her past with grace. https://www.vanityfair.com/news/2018/02/monica-lewinsky-in-the-age-of-metoo https://www.vanityfair.com/news/2018/02/monica-lewinsky-in-t...
  - favorited 7y ago
    She's definitely worth following on Twitter as well.
- Ididntdothis 7y ago
  I never understood why Lewinsky got ridiculed that much. If anything she was a victim in the whole thing. Or am I missing something?
  - deleted 7y ago
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  - gdy 7y ago
    How is she a victim?
    - roland35 7y ago
      Whenever there is a huge power mismatch in a relationship - that is generally not a situation where you can't say someone is not coerced in any way. Especially when the person in question is the president of the United States!
      - gdy 7y ago
        Why not? Women are naturally attracted to men in power, others seek career advantages over coworkers through sex with their superiors.
        Ididntdothis 7y ago
        That’s why in most companies it’s absolutely verboten for a manager to have any kind of romantic/sexual relationship with subordinates. This should apply to the president too. Having sex with an intern is just shameful and shows serious character issues.
        gdy 7y ago
        This doesn't make her a victim, just an accomplice.
        reroute1 7y ago
        Still not necessarily victimizing anyone though
        roland35 7y ago
        Easy enough to say if your boss is not hitting on you! If you turn him down it could hurt your career... These are the types of things most men don't have to worry about.
- JackFr 7y ago
  https://www.theatlantic.com/ideas/archive/2019/03/john-oliver-call-out-culture/585505/ https://www.theatlantic.com/ideas/archive/2019/03/john-olive... I loved John Oliver on the Daily Show, but I find Last Week Tonight formulaic and dull. It's the identical shtick every week with a different topic to be outraged over.
  - ceejayoz 7y ago
    It's almost like there are multiple topics worthy of outrage in the world. It's an educational/advocacy show with a veneer of comedy.
    - celticmusic 7y ago
      Except I've seen him do shows on topics I'm more aware of and realized that he doesn't treat them completely fairly. It's like Michael Moore. He's obviously too biased to have a fair view.
      - dragontamer 7y ago
        Oliver leans towards "entertainment" than "information" in my experience. There's a time and place for entertainment, but I definitely need to double-check his facts before relying upon them. Some of Oliver's arguments are "weak", feeling like he's sometimes padding for time. With that being said, Oliver is far better at this format than say... Bill Nye. (I was... saddened, by the weak treatment of subjects on that show) Colbert seems to be focusing more on a typical late-night formula (talk with celebrities to promote books and movies, primarily on "safe" subjects: see his "Meanwhile" segments, which are hilarious but otherwise pallet cleansers). Colbert barely has much more than 5-minute talks on any political subject these days... a good thing for the mass-audience, but too short to really dive deeply into a subject matter outside of highlighting a few headlines. ------ Overall, Oliver is one of the better shows in this category. But certainly has its flaws. No one really beats John Stewart, who really mastered the segment and earned my trust. (Stewart even had to do this in a far more difficult setting: once per night, 4 times a week. Oliver only has to prep for one segment per week). Stewart certainly had his mistakes, but he also humbled himself with constant reminders that Stewart was a "sad clown", reminding the audience that his skits were primarily driven for entertainment (even if large bits were educational) The main difference between Oliver and Stewart is that Oliver seems to have fewer self-deprecating bits, or reminders that Oliver is primarily a sad clown as well. Entertainment outrage... relatively well researched, but still entertainment nonetheless. Maybe I should watch Trevor Noah and see how he's keeping up the old Stewart timeslot. > He's obviously too biased to have a fair view. Stewart was biased, but overwhelmingly fair in my experience. Yeah, he leaned left, but no one can deny their own personal bias on political subjects, and that's fine IMO. Oliver is biased, but IMO isn't as fair as Stewart in all subject matters. Fortunately, Oliver is "fair enough" and still has a decent show.
joosters 7y ago
Being a multi-millionaire probably helped a bit, too...
- trax 7y ago
  probably not

dragontamer 7y ago

Actually, the best "public shaming" talk I've seen are the ones given by Monica Lewinsky. When you consider that Monica Lewinsky was 22 years old during the time of the scandal, a lot of the stuff going on was simply outside of her control. Seeing things from her perspective is pretty interesting, to say the least: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Yq7Eh6JTKIg https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Yq7Eh6JTKIg John Oliver starts the discussion, but there is a Lewinsky interview which is very eye-opening for me.

minikites 7y ago
Monica Lewinsky is an infinitely stronger person than most of us and I'm glad she's able to approach her past with grace. https://www.vanityfair.com/news/2018/02/monica-lewinsky-in-the-age-of-metoo https://www.vanityfair.com/news/2018/02/monica-lewinsky-in-t...
- favorited 7y ago
  She's definitely worth following on Twitter as well.
Ididntdothis 7y ago
I never understood why Lewinsky got ridiculed that much. If anything she was a victim in the whole thing. Or am I missing something?
- deleted 7y ago
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- gdy 7y ago
  How is she a victim?
  - roland35 7y ago
    Whenever there is a huge power mismatch in a relationship - that is generally not a situation where you can't say someone is not coerced in any way. Especially when the person in question is the president of the United States!
    - gdy 7y ago
      Why not? Women are naturally attracted to men in power, others seek career advantages over coworkers through sex with their superiors.
      - Ididntdothis 7y ago
        That’s why in most companies it’s absolutely verboten for a manager to have any kind of romantic/sexual relationship with subordinates. This should apply to the president too. Having sex with an intern is just shameful and shows serious character issues.
        gdy 7y ago
        This doesn't make her a victim, just an accomplice.
        reroute1 7y ago
        Still not necessarily victimizing anyone though
        roland35 7y ago
        Easy enough to say if your boss is not hitting on you! If you turn him down it could hurt your career... These are the types of things most men don't have to worry about.
JackFr 7y ago
https://www.theatlantic.com/ideas/archive/2019/03/john-oliver-call-out-culture/585505/ https://www.theatlantic.com/ideas/archive/2019/03/john-olive... I loved John Oliver on the Daily Show, but I find Last Week Tonight formulaic and dull. It's the identical shtick every week with a different topic to be outraged over.
- ceejayoz 7y ago
  It's almost like there are multiple topics worthy of outrage in the world. It's an educational/advocacy show with a veneer of comedy.
  - celticmusic 7y ago
    Except I've seen him do shows on topics I'm more aware of and realized that he doesn't treat them completely fairly. It's like Michael Moore. He's obviously too biased to have a fair view.
    - dragontamer 7y ago
      Oliver leans towards "entertainment" than "information" in my experience. There's a time and place for entertainment, but I definitely need to double-check his facts before relying upon them. Some of Oliver's arguments are "weak", feeling like he's sometimes padding for time. With that being said, Oliver is far better at this format than say... Bill Nye. (I was... saddened, by the weak treatment of subjects on that show) Colbert seems to be focusing more on a typical late-night formula (talk with celebrities to promote books and movies, primarily on "safe" subjects: see his "Meanwhile" segments, which are hilarious but otherwise pallet cleansers). Colbert barely has much more than 5-minute talks on any political subject these days... a good thing for the mass-audience, but too short to really dive deeply into a subject matter outside of highlighting a few headlines. ------ Overall, Oliver is one of the better shows in this category. But certainly has its flaws. No one really beats John Stewart, who really mastered the segment and earned my trust. (Stewart even had to do this in a far more difficult setting: once per night, 4 times a week. Oliver only has to prep for one segment per week). Stewart certainly had his mistakes, but he also humbled himself with constant reminders that Stewart was a "sad clown", reminding the audience that his skits were primarily driven for entertainment (even if large bits were educational) The main difference between Oliver and Stewart is that Oliver seems to have fewer self-deprecating bits, or reminders that Oliver is primarily a sad clown as well. Entertainment outrage... relatively well researched, but still entertainment nonetheless. Maybe I should watch Trevor Noah and see how he's keeping up the old Stewart timeslot. > He's obviously too biased to have a fair view. Stewart was biased, but overwhelmingly fair in my experience. Yeah, he leaned left, but no one can deny their own personal bias on political subjects, and that's fine IMO. Oliver is biased, but IMO isn't as fair as Stewart in all subject matters. Fortunately, Oliver is "fair enough" and still has a decent show.

joosters 7y ago

Being a multi-millionaire probably helped a bit, too...

trax 7y ago
probably not