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I personally don't use Facebook, Twitter or Instagram. If i applied and left all these fields blank i do wonder if they would believe me or maybe think i was wi

I personally don't use Facebook, Twitter or Instagram. If i applied and left all these fields blank i do wonder if they would believe me or maybe think i was withholding information and reject me on that ground....

raxxorrax 7y ago
Me too. I think the situation we are seeing now was very predictable and started with government ambitions to gain access to internet communication. But neither political side had any ambition to strike that down. Certainly worth remembering.
- koonsolo 7y ago
  I would have never predicted this from a western country to act like this. But I guess the Anglo-Saxon countries were always leaning on the controlling side. At least EU still has some sort of values. I won't be traveling to the US soon, unless I really need to.
  - raxxorrax 7y ago
    I think the EU currently has much worse ambitions for digital spaces that makes the US truly the beacon of the free world again. I host private services withing the EU because of sensible privacy protections but for anything with public content, I would pick something far, far away. Some member states already banned and sanctioned people for jokes. There is just one direction from here and it fits neatly into European patterns of past mistakes. There are also monetary interests in sanitizing certain spaces of the net and that is welcome honey for our current political class on any side of the political spectrum. Nope, the probability of good digital policies from within Europe is pretty low.
    - piva00 7y ago
      The principle of data privacy and rights is really much more important than pointy policies, it's an underlying foundation and framework of thinking how data should be treated with safeguards for you, as an individual, to be more in control of it. The EU has a lot of flaws as it's so massive and pervasive but saying that the US is the beacon of the free world makes me think you have been living under a rock for a while.
    - koonsolo 7y ago
      > but for anything with public content, I would pick something far, far away. Yeah, Article 13 really messed stuff up here. But as for the privacy, I don't consider "give me your login and password" a digital policy.
cylinder 7y ago
Yes, you can be denied a visa for misrepresentation, however it will be up to the Consular officer. Thus far, the Consulates don't seem that concerned with social media and haven't appeared to be fans of this addition, but CBP likes it clearly.
- benj111 7y ago
  It wouldn't be misrepresentation if it were true though. Which then raises the question of where the onus lies regarding proof. I suppose ultimately the US can deny access to whomever they please, so you have to jump through whatever hoops they please.
  - gambiting 7y ago
    US(and UK, and many other countries) can already ask you to provide password for an encrypted file and jail you if you refuse. The thing is, there is no way to prove that a file is indeed encrypted, or just a collection of random bits - in fact they can just say you used stenography to hide something in a completely normal .jpg file, and you need to provide them with means to decode that. You cannot prove that it doesn't exist, all it takes is their expert saying that "we can prove beyond resonable doubt that the file is encrypted" and you are screwed.
    - swarnie_ 7y ago
      > all it takes is their expert saying that "we can prove beyond resonable doubt that the file is encrypted" and you are screwed. I'm pretty sure this wouldn't fly in the UK, wouldn't the expert need to demonstrate to a Jury and the defence council how he "proved beyond reasonable doubt" so the proof could be refuted? In fact it might not work in the US. I remember a pedo trial collapsing because the feds were unwilling to explain in open court how they tracked people via the dark web.
- zwaps 7y ago
  Problem is not just getting the Visa, its the border check. Here, agents have literally unlimited decision power and you have no recourse.
addicted 7y ago
A random agent would assume you have a different real account you didn’t reveal.

raxxorrax 7y ago

Me too. I think the situation we are seeing now was very predictable and started with government ambitions to gain access to internet communication. But neither political side had any ambition to strike that down. Certainly worth remembering.

koonsolo 7y ago
I would have never predicted this from a western country to act like this. But I guess the Anglo-Saxon countries were always leaning on the controlling side. At least EU still has some sort of values. I won't be traveling to the US soon, unless I really need to.
- raxxorrax 7y ago
  I think the EU currently has much worse ambitions for digital spaces that makes the US truly the beacon of the free world again. I host private services withing the EU because of sensible privacy protections but for anything with public content, I would pick something far, far away. Some member states already banned and sanctioned people for jokes. There is just one direction from here and it fits neatly into European patterns of past mistakes. There are also monetary interests in sanitizing certain spaces of the net and that is welcome honey for our current political class on any side of the political spectrum. Nope, the probability of good digital policies from within Europe is pretty low.
  - piva00 7y ago
    The principle of data privacy and rights is really much more important than pointy policies, it's an underlying foundation and framework of thinking how data should be treated with safeguards for you, as an individual, to be more in control of it. The EU has a lot of flaws as it's so massive and pervasive but saying that the US is the beacon of the free world makes me think you have been living under a rock for a while.
  - koonsolo 7y ago
    > but for anything with public content, I would pick something far, far away. Yeah, Article 13 really messed stuff up here. But as for the privacy, I don't consider "give me your login and password" a digital policy.

cylinder 7y ago

Yes, you can be denied a visa for misrepresentation, however it will be up to the Consular officer. Thus far, the Consulates don't seem that concerned with social media and haven't appeared to be fans of this addition, but CBP likes it clearly.

benj111 7y ago
It wouldn't be misrepresentation if it were true though. Which then raises the question of where the onus lies regarding proof. I suppose ultimately the US can deny access to whomever they please, so you have to jump through whatever hoops they please.
- gambiting 7y ago
  US(and UK, and many other countries) can already ask you to provide password for an encrypted file and jail you if you refuse. The thing is, there is no way to prove that a file is indeed encrypted, or just a collection of random bits - in fact they can just say you used stenography to hide something in a completely normal .jpg file, and you need to provide them with means to decode that. You cannot prove that it doesn't exist, all it takes is their expert saying that "we can prove beyond resonable doubt that the file is encrypted" and you are screwed.
  - swarnie_ 7y ago
    > all it takes is their expert saying that "we can prove beyond resonable doubt that the file is encrypted" and you are screwed. I'm pretty sure this wouldn't fly in the UK, wouldn't the expert need to demonstrate to a Jury and the defence council how he "proved beyond reasonable doubt" so the proof could be refuted? In fact it might not work in the US. I remember a pedo trial collapsing because the feds were unwilling to explain in open court how they tracked people via the dark web.
zwaps 7y ago
Problem is not just getting the Visa, its the border check. Here, agents have literally unlimited decision power and you have no recourse.

addicted 7y ago

A random agent would assume you have a different real account you didn’t reveal.