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> I'm also curious what stops me from putting whatever i want int he race field on my application. Nothing, as we found out with Elizabeth Warren being "Indian

by mises 7y ago

> I'm also curious what stops me from putting whatever i want int he race field on my application. Nothing, as we found out with Elizabeth Warren being "Indian". As you said, no test. Of course, I'm not sure I'd be comfortable handing my DNA over to every school to which I wanted to apply.

blisterpeanuts 7y ago
The notoriety of the Warren experience may cause institutions to require more documentation in the future. Then, of course, some applicants may experience the opposite problem: the admissions people won't believe them without DNA evidence, and then we have a Gattacca scenario. (from the movie about people's genomes being used in the hiring process)
- big_chungus 7y ago
  The worst part about this is that the information will doubtless go to a testing facility, and from there will probably end up in the hands of some federal three-letter agency. It's already happened: https://www.wsj.com/articles/customers-handed-over-their-dna-the-company-let-the-fbi-take-a-look-11566491162 https://www.wsj.com/articles/customers-handed-over-their-dna... As more things require it, it will become unavoidable. By the way, I hadn't seen that movie. Thanks for mentioning it; looks like it might be good to watch.
  - blisterpeanuts 7y ago
    Well thought out, well written movie with a beautiful sound track. I highly recommend it! I've just re-watched it for the 3rd or 4th time, and it's held up very well since it came out around '99 or 2000.
dbcurtis 7y ago
Back in the day, a woman on my dorm floor would check a different box every quarter during registration, just to see what would happen. The main thing that would happen is that one quarter she would get a lot of mailings from the black student organization, and the next quarter a lot of mailings from the Asian student association. Of course, on an admissions form, a whole different machine kicks in. I think falsifying your admissions form would have consequences.
- nradov 7y ago
  There are no consequences. What objective criteria could they possibly use to prove you falsified your application?
- skinnymuch 7y ago
  How do you in most cases prove someone is falsifying what they identify as?

by mises 7y ago

blisterpeanuts 7y ago

The notoriety of the Warren experience may cause institutions to require more documentation in the future. Then, of course, some applicants may experience the opposite problem: the admissions people won't believe them without DNA evidence, and then we have a Gattacca scenario. (from the movie about people's genomes being used in the hiring process)

big_chungus 7y ago
The worst part about this is that the information will doubtless go to a testing facility, and from there will probably end up in the hands of some federal three-letter agency. It's already happened: https://www.wsj.com/articles/customers-handed-over-their-dna-the-company-let-the-fbi-take-a-look-11566491162 https://www.wsj.com/articles/customers-handed-over-their-dna... As more things require it, it will become unavoidable. By the way, I hadn't seen that movie. Thanks for mentioning it; looks like it might be good to watch.
- blisterpeanuts 7y ago
  Well thought out, well written movie with a beautiful sound track. I highly recommend it! I've just re-watched it for the 3rd or 4th time, and it's held up very well since it came out around '99 or 2000.

dbcurtis 7y ago

Back in the day, a woman on my dorm floor would check a different box every quarter during registration, just to see what would happen. The main thing that would happen is that one quarter she would get a lot of mailings from the black student organization, and the next quarter a lot of mailings from the Asian student association. Of course, on an admissions form, a whole different machine kicks in. I think falsifying your admissions form would have consequences.

nradov 7y ago
There are no consequences. What objective criteria could they possibly use to prove you falsified your application?
skinnymuch 7y ago
How do you in most cases prove someone is falsifying what they identify as?