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Great if you trust Google, not so much if you don't. Too bad Mozilla made that choice for us, and imho, the wrong one. Google has proved itself time and time ag

Great if you trust Google, not so much if you don't. Too bad Mozilla made that choice for us, and imho, the wrong one. Google has proved itself time and time again that they cannot be trusted with privacy. "Mozilla went through a year long legal discussion with GA." I wonder why. Implementing some basic analytics on a few pages shouldn't be that hard.

rhaps0dy 7y ago
It is pretty unlikely that a company (Google) would break a contract with another relatively large organisation (Mozilla). Yes, Google vacuum up all your data and do shady stuff with it, but only because all of it is legal. Plus, the amount of data that they get from Mozilla must be tiny compared to the amount of data that they collect through their search engine: it's only data on mozilla.org, not data of everyone that uses the browser at all times. It is not wise to risk a lawsuit over it. > I wonder why. Implementing some basic analytics on a few pages shouldn't be that hard. Maybe defining a contract to prevent use of Mozilla data without loopholes is harder.
- pbhjpbhj 7y ago
  It will be "anonymised" I imagine, enough to give Google all they want and still let Mozilla get paid and _say_ they don't give up user data. There's surely no way to tell what they do with the data at the other end? It's Google and their serf, Mozilla, I can't imagine it's wholesome.
  - shkkmo 7y ago
    > It will be "anonymised" I imagine, enough to give Google all they want and still let Mozilla get paid Do you have you any basis for this assertion?
    - pbhjpbhj 7y ago
      For the assertion of my assumption? The post itself is evidence of it.
  - judge2020 7y ago
    You can see from the screenshot in the linked bug report that the data won't be shared whatsoever if those boxes aren't checked.
mensetmanusman 7y ago
It’s not entirely one sided as you describe. Google is one of the few companies that has also fought legal requests from governments trying to spy on their citizens, when the others giants caved immediately.
- judge2020 7y ago
  One of the things Google gets right. They know that data breaches, where someone does get the valuable ad profiles or data of Google users (while usually advertisers just get to target based off the data), are one of the few things that will actually cause the masses to think about their privacy settings and why they're giving Google their life story at all.
criley2 7y ago
"Great if you trust Google, not so much if you don't. Too bad Mozilla made that choice for us, and imho, the wrong one. Google has proved itself time and time again that they cannot be trusted with privacy." I believe this to be a lazy and ignorant opinion, and I think you are hoping no one will call you out for this. "Google has proved time and time against they cannot be trusted with privacy". This is a contract between two businesses, which carries legal weight (and in some countries, carries more legal weight than just contract law), so could you source for me perhaps 2-3 (you said "time and time again", so 2-3 should be quite easy!) of your most iconic times that Google openly violated contract terms with major organizations regarding privacy controls?
- armitron 7y ago
  We wouldn't know, since most of the incidents would never see the light. From the incidents that did come to light (e.g. Google spying on you through its assistant), we do know that they can and will bend the letter of the law to suit their purpose. So I think that it's your opinion that sounds hopelessly naive rather than OP's.
  - penagwin 7y ago
    Most of the cases of Google "spying through home assistant" (along with the other assistants, Amazon, Apple included) while obviously invasions of privacy were generally (all?) legal. At least in the US they weren't breaking any laws. I'm not saying they would never break any laws for financial gain, just that most of the breaches in privacy aren't technically illegal (thus the need for privacy laws)
- jtbayly 7y ago
  Remember when they were "unintentionally" scanning and saving wifi data? Broke the law. If Google has a culture of "grab all the data, and use it in whatever way you can figure out to make money,"—and they do—then the real question is if they even have the institutional capability to not accidentally use this data the same way they use all the other data they have.
thosejuicegoogl 7y ago
I'm right up your pizzazz, co-trigger. I agree with everything you've said. Trucking Google, man, trucking Chromium feels like a Prestapo cell too. How the truck are we gonna live man.

rhaps0dy 7y ago

It is pretty unlikely that a company (Google) would break a contract with another relatively large organisation (Mozilla). Yes, Google vacuum up all your data and do shady stuff with it, but only because all of it is legal. Plus, the amount of data that they get from Mozilla must be tiny compared to the amount of data that they collect through their search engine: it's only data on mozilla.org, not data of everyone that uses the browser at all times. It is not wise to risk a lawsuit over it. > I wonder why. Implementing some basic analytics on a few pages shouldn't be that hard. Maybe defining a contract to prevent use of Mozilla data without loopholes is harder.

pbhjpbhj 7y ago
It will be "anonymised" I imagine, enough to give Google all they want and still let Mozilla get paid and _say_ they don't give up user data. There's surely no way to tell what they do with the data at the other end? It's Google and their serf, Mozilla, I can't imagine it's wholesome.
- shkkmo 7y ago
  > It will be "anonymised" I imagine, enough to give Google all they want and still let Mozilla get paid Do you have you any basis for this assertion?
  - pbhjpbhj 7y ago
    For the assertion of my assumption? The post itself is evidence of it.
- judge2020 7y ago
  You can see from the screenshot in the linked bug report that the data won't be shared whatsoever if those boxes aren't checked.

mensetmanusman 7y ago

It’s not entirely one sided as you describe. Google is one of the few companies that has also fought legal requests from governments trying to spy on their citizens, when the others giants caved immediately.

judge2020 7y ago
One of the things Google gets right. They know that data breaches, where someone does get the valuable ad profiles or data of Google users (while usually advertisers just get to target based off the data), are one of the few things that will actually cause the masses to think about their privacy settings and why they're giving Google their life story at all.

criley2 7y ago

"Great if you trust Google, not so much if you don't. Too bad Mozilla made that choice for us, and imho, the wrong one. Google has proved itself time and time again that they cannot be trusted with privacy." I believe this to be a lazy and ignorant opinion, and I think you are hoping no one will call you out for this. "Google has proved time and time against they cannot be trusted with privacy". This is a contract between two businesses, which carries legal weight (and in some countries, carries more legal weight than just contract law), so could you source for me perhaps 2-3 (you said "time and time again", so 2-3 should be quite easy!) of your most iconic times that Google openly violated contract terms with major organizations regarding privacy controls?

armitron 7y ago
We wouldn't know, since most of the incidents would never see the light. From the incidents that did come to light (e.g. Google spying on you through its assistant), we do know that they can and will bend the letter of the law to suit their purpose. So I think that it's your opinion that sounds hopelessly naive rather than OP's.
- penagwin 7y ago
  Most of the cases of Google "spying through home assistant" (along with the other assistants, Amazon, Apple included) while obviously invasions of privacy were generally (all?) legal. At least in the US they weren't breaking any laws. I'm not saying they would never break any laws for financial gain, just that most of the breaches in privacy aren't technically illegal (thus the need for privacy laws)
jtbayly 7y ago
Remember when they were "unintentionally" scanning and saving wifi data? Broke the law. If Google has a culture of "grab all the data, and use it in whatever way you can figure out to make money,"—and they do—then the real question is if they even have the institutional capability to not accidentally use this data the same way they use all the other data they have.

thosejuicegoogl 7y ago

I'm right up your pizzazz, co-trigger. I agree with everything you've said. Trucking Google, man, trucking Chromium feels like a Prestapo cell too. How the truck are we gonna live man.