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Thank you for writing this. As an engineer reading these style of articles, I've witnessed two common reactions: Either the content resonates, and our eyes wide

Thank you for writing this. As an engineer reading these style of articles, I've witnessed two common reactions: Either the content resonates, and our eyes widen at the site of a simplified and intuitive explanation for phenomenon that we've somehow already observed, or... it doesn't. And maybe that's the source of much of the negativity we're seeing. These engineers haven't worked in domains, projects, or organizations where they could encounter how these lessons play out, and so they're dubious about the whole thing. One reaction to being in that position is to downplay the author and complain about lack of 'evidence'. The other, is to put down our egos, and consider that maybe we're just not there yet to appreciate what the author is trying to tell us.

blub 7y ago
That's not at all the source of my negativity. Instead, I am confronted in my work with developers of different experience levels which justify their design and coding decisions based on what e.g. Robert Martin or Martin Fowler wrote in a book or blog. Some of these ideas, like "code should read like prose" or the obsession with unit testing are causing problems, such as making the code harder to follow or neglecting other kinds of testing that are more effective. I'm not going to claim that everything these authors say is false, but it's high time we say: PoC or GTFO - show us the systems where these rules are applied and let us judge if they're worth anything, don't tell us nice stories.
- tempguy9999 7y ago
  > unit testing [...] or neglecting other kinds of testing that are more effective Could you elaborate? (happens I come from a background where there is no kind of systematic testing, which is a bit of a downer) And 'PoC' = proof of concept? > which justify their design and coding decisions based on what <authority> wrote in a book or blog. Happened to me. We had an SQL-based product that ran like a dog. Much faster by the time I'd finished it (I was the local guru), but on the next iteration I found the lead programmer had ripped out the big complex SQL statements it generated, and replaced each with many simpler queries. I asked WTF he'd done that without telling anybody and he justified it by pointing to a blog article recommending that for speed. The article ended up 'trust me, it will be faster'. Oh yes, it ran faster because the query optimiser (very cpu expensive) now had very little work to do - so in ran like a rocket when the lead programmer (ie. one single user) tested it in his laptop. But it would scale like a dog because the optimiser had been sidestepped! In addition, lots of little queries picking data from here and there would allow inconsistent views of the data because he didn't know about transaction isolation levels. Thanks, idiot blog author!
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  - chii 7y ago
    i dont think having a blog outlining random advice is the source of the issue - it's the programmer who chose to take advice without first measuring and/or critically evaluating it. Even if martin fowler and co didn't write this, soembody else would've, and the same sort of mistakes would continue to happen. The root cause, as always, is incompetence.
    - tempguy9999 7y ago
      If people don't know much then they are not in a position to discriminate. It's the unknown unknowns. In the case I gave I'd reasonably agree that the lead programmer should have sat down with a stack of MSSQL books and done his homework. But even more so, the prat of a blog author, a well-known blogger in MSSQL at the time, should have done his homework and not published dangerous crap. Proclaim yourself an authority, you'd better be one! I've other examples of this too. But sometimes the end-users just can't know. I'll skip the details but due to overload at work I couldn't help our support staff properly, so they did a web search and grabbed a snippet which did what they needed. Well done for initiative, lads. It also silently disabled full trans logging on our clients production DBs. Not so good. Support staff couldn't know, they did their best, blame lies with idiot blogger 'expert'. Again.
  - blub 7y ago
    I was referring to system and integration tests. If a system has any kind of user interaction, user testing is essential.
- ChicagoDave 7y ago
  The articles on Fowler’s blog are written by well-established senior developers/architects with years if not decades of experience. There’s no evidence that Fowler, et al, are saying there is One True Way and he even eludes to the fact that any such proposal makes him uncomfortable. I also have decades of experience and would add my observations: Leadership matters. If you’re a part of team without authority or with weak a vision, you suffer at the whims of your leadership. I find this to be the first point of failure. Without a strong vision, enterprise software will develop code debt instantly and it will grow exponentially. Enabling a development team should be a priority. Vision and Strategy A significant effort should be made to reason through objectives and put guardrails on those objectives. Are you re-platforming? Are you only rebuilding one boundary? Are you migrating to the public cloud and leveraging IaaS and PaaS? How brittle are your existing systems? Can your existing systems support the expected growth of the business? Someone needs to consider these things before engaging with system change, develop a plan, socialize the plan with everyone, then develop execution strategies to enable the plan to succeed. This has less to do with code, but drives coding standards. If you have complex systems, understanding Domain-Driven Design is a critical aspect to improvement. If you have a “big ball of mud”, pulling it apart and rebuilding those parts according to the business is critical and can’t be done by “winging it”. Opinionated vs Unopinionated Deciding how high your development guard rails need to be and managing them is an art, but it still needs to be explicitly managed. In an enterprise, opinionated is probably better. In a startup, the opposite may be true. Someone or some team needs to think about this and talk about it. Communication Everyone, from Product Owners to Testers to QA needs to be able to model, whiteboard, and discuss problems, scenarios, and agree on solutions. Throwing work over walls will destroy the expected results.

blub 7y ago

That's not at all the source of my negativity. Instead, I am confronted in my work with developers of different experience levels which justify their design and coding decisions based on what e.g. Robert Martin or Martin Fowler wrote in a book or blog. Some of these ideas, like "code should read like prose" or the obsession with unit testing are causing problems, such as making the code harder to follow or neglecting other kinds of testing that are more effective. I'm not going to claim that everything these authors say is false, but it's high time we say: PoC or GTFO - show us the systems where these rules are applied and let us judge if they're worth anything, don't tell us nice stories.

tempguy9999 7y ago
> unit testing [...] or neglecting other kinds of testing that are more effective Could you elaborate? (happens I come from a background where there is no kind of systematic testing, which is a bit of a downer) And 'PoC' = proof of concept? > which justify their design and coding decisions based on what <authority> wrote in a book or blog. Happened to me. We had an SQL-based product that ran like a dog. Much faster by the time I'd finished it (I was the local guru), but on the next iteration I found the lead programmer had ripped out the big complex SQL statements it generated, and replaced each with many simpler queries. I asked WTF he'd done that without telling anybody and he justified it by pointing to a blog article recommending that for speed. The article ended up 'trust me, it will be faster'. Oh yes, it ran faster because the query optimiser (very cpu expensive) now had very little work to do - so in ran like a rocket when the lead programmer (ie. one single user) tested it in his laptop. But it would scale like a dog because the optimiser had been sidestepped! In addition, lots of little queries picking data from here and there would allow inconsistent views of the data because he didn't know about transaction isolation levels. Thanks, idiot blog author!
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- chii 7y ago
  i dont think having a blog outlining random advice is the source of the issue - it's the programmer who chose to take advice without first measuring and/or critically evaluating it. Even if martin fowler and co didn't write this, soembody else would've, and the same sort of mistakes would continue to happen. The root cause, as always, is incompetence.
  - tempguy9999 7y ago
    If people don't know much then they are not in a position to discriminate. It's the unknown unknowns. In the case I gave I'd reasonably agree that the lead programmer should have sat down with a stack of MSSQL books and done his homework. But even more so, the prat of a blog author, a well-known blogger in MSSQL at the time, should have done his homework and not published dangerous crap. Proclaim yourself an authority, you'd better be one! I've other examples of this too. But sometimes the end-users just can't know. I'll skip the details but due to overload at work I couldn't help our support staff properly, so they did a web search and grabbed a snippet which did what they needed. Well done for initiative, lads. It also silently disabled full trans logging on our clients production DBs. Not so good. Support staff couldn't know, they did their best, blame lies with idiot blogger 'expert'. Again.
- blub 7y ago
  I was referring to system and integration tests. If a system has any kind of user interaction, user testing is essential.
ChicagoDave 7y ago
The articles on Fowler’s blog are written by well-established senior developers/architects with years if not decades of experience. There’s no evidence that Fowler, et al, are saying there is One True Way and he even eludes to the fact that any such proposal makes him uncomfortable. I also have decades of experience and would add my observations: Leadership matters. If you’re a part of team without authority or with weak a vision, you suffer at the whims of your leadership. I find this to be the first point of failure. Without a strong vision, enterprise software will develop code debt instantly and it will grow exponentially. Enabling a development team should be a priority. Vision and Strategy A significant effort should be made to reason through objectives and put guardrails on those objectives. Are you re-platforming? Are you only rebuilding one boundary? Are you migrating to the public cloud and leveraging IaaS and PaaS? How brittle are your existing systems? Can your existing systems support the expected growth of the business? Someone needs to consider these things before engaging with system change, develop a plan, socialize the plan with everyone, then develop execution strategies to enable the plan to succeed. This has less to do with code, but drives coding standards. If you have complex systems, understanding Domain-Driven Design is a critical aspect to improvement. If you have a “big ball of mud”, pulling it apart and rebuilding those parts according to the business is critical and can’t be done by “winging it”. Opinionated vs Unopinionated Deciding how high your development guard rails need to be and managing them is an art, but it still needs to be explicitly managed. In an enterprise, opinionated is probably better. In a startup, the opposite may be true. Someone or some team needs to think about this and talk about it. Communication Everyone, from Product Owners to Testers to QA needs to be able to model, whiteboard, and discuss problems, scenarios, and agree on solutions. Throwing work over walls will destroy the expected results.