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Yeah I mean, without statistics his anecdotes are meaningless. It's a common thing to complain here in Seattle, but having lived in the Midwest for most of my l

• seanmcdirmid 7y ago
  It wasn’t this bad in the 90s or 80s, when crime was higher everywhere else. Relatively speaking, Seattle is worse off than it was before, which is a bit sad for the non transplants.
  • throwawaysea 7y ago
    Exactly this. Transplants are part of the problem though - they’ve brought their political culture/voting habits/policies with them, and are ruining a formerly effectively managed city without asking why it was attractive to move here in the first place.
    • ndarwincorn 7y ago
      Please go ask the lifers at the May Day riots how they feel about the effective management of the city before all these darn transplants showed up.
  • taurath 7y ago
    Every stat on violent crime I’ve seen is that the 80s were a peak tho?
    • seanmcdirmid 7y ago
      The homeless problem wasn’t as large in the 80s, violent crime was maybe higher, but property crime seems to have been lower. I worked at 3rd and pine McDonald’s in 94-95 (one of the main hangouts for Seattle’s homeless population back then), and downtown was a lot more sane back then. The policing was much more aggressive than it is today, which I think had a large part to do with that.
  • fzeroracer 7y ago
    Do you have statistics to back up this claim?
  • thomasmeeks 7y ago
    I dunno, the common refrain I hear from native Seattleites is that many places -- like Fremont, Ballard, and West Seattle, were truly awful in the 80s & 90s. Usually just at the mention of where I live, which is one of those neighborhoods. Compared to Orlando and Salt Lake City, Seattle feels about on par to me with regards to safety and the homeless problem (adjusted for the much higher population & density). Which is useless information because it is an anecdote, but the best way to bring data into a conversation is a lot of useless competing anecdotes.
    • seanmcdirmid 7y ago
      I lived in all three of those places in the early 90s (as a UW student and with my aunt near Alaska Junction in West Seattle). No, at least then, they weren’t as bad, or bad at all. Ballard? I’m not even sure where it being dangerous would come from, maybe getting run down by a bad Norwegian driver? Checkout Cops in Ballard: https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=hGlDVmBLibg https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=hGlDVmBLibg (Yes, that is Bill Nye)
      • sleepybrett 7y ago
        I was mugged multiple time in the u-district in the 90s. The ave in general is far less sketchy than it used to be. Ballard is much worse. It's gone from an enclave of retired scandy fishermen to hip neighborhood with a thriving walkable main drag. Because much of the street parking is still free the homeless living out of barely functional vans and rvs can live without hassle and attempt to panhandle on the drag. I imagine that at least some of those vehicles are also essentially drug emporiums further concentrating the homeless population that is hooked. ... Still not as sketchy as the u-district in the 90s though.
  • hsitz 7y ago
    I moved to Seattle in 1994 and it's not clear to me that it's worse now than then. Clearly many neighborhoods are not worse, there's been a huge amount of gentrification over the 25 years I've been here. Homelessness and drug issues were big problem back then, too. I've lived mainly on Capitol Hill and it's a safer and "nicer" place than it was back in the 90's. I had drug deals happening on corner outside my house back then, the neighborhood is great now. I also lived downtown, where Pike St. between 1st and 2nd Aves was horrendous with homelessness and drug use. Clearly much nicer now. The Central District (the other neighborhood I'm most familiar with) has also undergone huge level of gentrification since then, is much "nicer" place to live than it was in the 90's. Yes, homelessness, and drug use and mental health issues are big problems, and I'm not sure the city has taken best approach to them. But it's easy to criticize without having better answer. The sensationalist ranting I hear sometimes in media and in personal anecdotes seems pretty misleading.
  • mehrdadn 7y ago
    Someone points out the crime rates are better, not worse? https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=20781556 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=20781556
• coliveira 7y ago
  Exactly, conservatives try to paint Seattle as hell because they have to deal with people throwing coffee... They really don't want to see poor people on the streets, that's all. And the police exists to fight real crimes, not the imagined crimes that conservatives fear everyday: walking the streets while being poor.
  • dymk 7y ago
    This is not a partisan issue, it's a miscommunication. There's a large chunk of people who think that "Let's take repeat violent offenders off the streets" translates to "Let's take away offered social programs and criminalize being poor", which is not a fruitful dialog.
    • rdtwo 7y ago
      Amy time you ask to lock up dangerous individuals the response is always that you hate the homeless, you lack empathy and that criminal justice doesn’t work. It’s worse than the gun debate
  • lostlogin 7y ago
    You’re minimising the throwing hot coffee in a toddlers face.
    • tjr225 7y ago
      No such thing was done. You can find instances of awful stuff happening in any city- anywhere in the world. This is exactly what makes statistics useful.
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      • drak0n1c 7y ago
        Statistics can be misleading. The vast majority of incidents aren't reported, and if they are filed they are filed under generic labels.
• opportune 7y ago
  I agree, when I lived in Seattle it was just... normal. There are more homeless people than in most other places but by and large there were no issues I ran into. I saw needles a couple times and was harassed by someone who was almost certainly schizophrenic, but that happens in all medium-large cities. Although I never experienced it and don't know many people who have, I will say that property crimes need to be prosecuted. The only common case I've really heard of is getting bikes stolen (which, again, happens pretty much everywhere) and I assume there is probably some shoplifting too. That's not really even that bad either, and again is par for the course in major cities, but it definitely should be prosecuted when possible. I agree that a lot of people are simply bothered by having to walk past homeless people and don't want to see or think about them, ever. It's just not really an issue that will affect you very often, on average.
  • williamstein 7y ago
    I live in Seattle (Central District), and was harassed by a homeless person a half hour ago, had our bike stolen last week, saw a homeless person peeing 40 feet from my house an hour ago, and had three car break-ins and one car theft in the last year. All my neighbors have very similar experiences, and the above list is far from comprehensive for the last year. It's genuinely scary and disturbing living here, and I do regularly think about moving because of the level of crime.
    • xyzzyz 7y ago
      Get out of Central District for starters. East Side, West Seattle (north part at least) are still nice and safe.
      • new_realist 7y ago
        Yes, let’s abandon the city to the criminals.
    • rdtwo 7y ago
      Shoreline,Bellevue woodinville and Redmond all good places to move.