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This is a really good article. It touches on the global denial, the gross generational inequality of the status quo, and acknowledges the personal mental health

This is a really good article. It touches on the global denial, the gross generational inequality of the status quo, and acknowledges the personal mental health difficulty in trying to accept what the human race has done. It's also pragmatic and talks about what's being done. Very worthwhile reading in its entirety.

OmegaBlight 7y ago
Do you think we as society are going to change fast enough to combat the challenges we are currently facing? It seems that we are all just repeating past mistakes in a grander scale.
- toomuchtodo 7y ago
  No. We will only change faster once the situation becomes dire (crop failures, heat waves you can’t fight with AC, roads and bridges failing from the heat), and there will be much suffering due to the delay. Prepare yourself if you can.
  - throwaway5752 7y ago
    I don't blame you for this because you're probably in the US, and probably not in agriculture, but we are having crop failures. In the US. Massive ones. It's not just heatwaves, but increased thunderstorm sizes (hail) and increase rainfall during vulnerable planting and harvesting periods. A lot of this spring was washed out in parts of the US Midwest. Globally, it's much worse. People are showing up from Central America because of crop failures. That is climate change induced human migration. Syria collapsed because of climate change based crop failures. The "Arab Sprint" was in large part because of agricultural productivity issues due to climate change. Large cities in Africa and south Asia are running out of water.
    - toomuchtodo 7y ago
      I should’ve been more specific. Crop failures where middle class Americans start to starve. Society is nine meals away from revolution. Keep a close eye on US grain reserves and other ag indicators. I agree with your points that crops are already failing. It just hasn’t impact the first world middle class yet.
      - kazagistar 7y ago
        I disagree. Most of America is already onboard; it's just being held back from progress by its non democratic systems, a minority that clings to power, and power systems that can spend unbounded amounts of money for short term profits.
        toomuchtodo 7y ago
        Can you show evidence that a majority is onboard? People are still using petroleum like it’s going out of style, and no one wants a carbon tax.
        CalRobert 7y ago
        If those Democratic systems worked we'd have had Gore in 2000 and a different world.
    - diveloper 7y ago
      Can you provide a source for some of these claims? I'm not doubting you, I just want to see for myself.
- keymon-o 7y ago
  I just hope the last warning will be shocking and soon enough to combat the problem. Of course, if it hasn't happened already.
- ptah 7y ago
  my current view is that the change will happen to us regardless. we will be forced to respond in some way
- kazagistar 7y ago
  A single society is too broad a lens. There are countless different cultures... some are on board already, some can still be convinced, some can be negotiated with... but some will have to be forced to come along kicking and screaming. You can't get a willing consensus of 7 billion people, and it just takes one idiotic group of people unwilling to play ball to ruin the planet.
alexandercrohde 7y ago
Agreed. It really touches on the emotional aspects of it, which I think really need to be discussed. When I picture why certain family members have a hard time accepting the reality of global warming, it certainly comes down to difficulty grappling with emotions, not a hard review of the literature. Recognizing emotions as part of the problem and solution feels like a big step.
- RobertRoberts 7y ago
  >Recognizing emotions as part of the problem and solution feels like a big step. I think this is actually the worst thing we can do. Science is facts, cold hard facts. If you want to get rid of the science and focus on emotions, then the solutions to the _real_ problem will get distorted.
  - danharaj 7y ago
    > Science is facts, cold hard facts. How do you figure?
    - RobertRoberts 7y ago
      How I "feel" about a scientific result is irrelevant to the result. (ie, if I am mad or happy, it doesn't _affect_ the result) Therefore feelings are irrelevant to both the scientific process and the results found from using it.
      - arrrg 7y ago
        That’s correct, but science also won’t solve this. This is a political/social issue that has to be approached this way. The science should inform our decisions but in order to reach that goal one might have to do more than insist that the science is correct and doesn’t care about your emotions.
        RobertRoberts 7y ago

OmegaBlight 7y ago

Do you think we as society are going to change fast enough to combat the challenges we are currently facing? It seems that we are all just repeating past mistakes in a grander scale.

toomuchtodo 7y ago
No. We will only change faster once the situation becomes dire (crop failures, heat waves you can’t fight with AC, roads and bridges failing from the heat), and there will be much suffering due to the delay. Prepare yourself if you can.
- throwaway5752 7y ago
  I don't blame you for this because you're probably in the US, and probably not in agriculture, but we are having crop failures. In the US. Massive ones. It's not just heatwaves, but increased thunderstorm sizes (hail) and increase rainfall during vulnerable planting and harvesting periods. A lot of this spring was washed out in parts of the US Midwest. Globally, it's much worse. People are showing up from Central America because of crop failures. That is climate change induced human migration. Syria collapsed because of climate change based crop failures. The "Arab Sprint" was in large part because of agricultural productivity issues due to climate change. Large cities in Africa and south Asia are running out of water.
  - toomuchtodo 7y ago
    I should’ve been more specific. Crop failures where middle class Americans start to starve. Society is nine meals away from revolution. Keep a close eye on US grain reserves and other ag indicators. I agree with your points that crops are already failing. It just hasn’t impact the first world middle class yet.
    - kazagistar 7y ago
      I disagree. Most of America is already onboard; it's just being held back from progress by its non democratic systems, a minority that clings to power, and power systems that can spend unbounded amounts of money for short term profits.
      - toomuchtodo 7y ago
        Can you show evidence that a majority is onboard? People are still using petroleum like it’s going out of style, and no one wants a carbon tax.
      - CalRobert 7y ago
        If those Democratic systems worked we'd have had Gore in 2000 and a different world.
  - diveloper 7y ago
    Can you provide a source for some of these claims? I'm not doubting you, I just want to see for myself.
keymon-o 7y ago
I just hope the last warning will be shocking and soon enough to combat the problem. Of course, if it hasn't happened already.
ptah 7y ago
my current view is that the change will happen to us regardless. we will be forced to respond in some way
kazagistar 7y ago
A single society is too broad a lens. There are countless different cultures... some are on board already, some can still be convinced, some can be negotiated with... but some will have to be forced to come along kicking and screaming. You can't get a willing consensus of 7 billion people, and it just takes one idiotic group of people unwilling to play ball to ruin the planet.

alexandercrohde 7y ago

Agreed. It really touches on the emotional aspects of it, which I think really need to be discussed. When I picture why certain family members have a hard time accepting the reality of global warming, it certainly comes down to difficulty grappling with emotions, not a hard review of the literature. Recognizing emotions as part of the problem and solution feels like a big step.

RobertRoberts 7y ago
>Recognizing emotions as part of the problem and solution feels like a big step. I think this is actually the worst thing we can do. Science is facts, cold hard facts. If you want to get rid of the science and focus on emotions, then the solutions to the _real_ problem will get distorted.
- danharaj 7y ago
  > Science is facts, cold hard facts. How do you figure?
  - RobertRoberts 7y ago
    How I "feel" about a scientific result is irrelevant to the result. (ie, if I am mad or happy, it doesn't _affect_ the result) Therefore feelings are irrelevant to both the scientific process and the results found from using it.
    - arrrg 7y ago
      That’s correct, but science also won’t solve this. This is a political/social issue that has to be approached this way. The science should inform our decisions but in order to reach that goal one might have to do more than insist that the science is correct and doesn’t care about your emotions.
      - RobertRoberts 7y ago