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This has been my thought too. China is allowing these protests to go on. At any point, they can roll in the tanks, and they will be over. Without meaningful

This has been my thought too. China is allowing these protests to go on. At any point, they can roll in the tanks, and they will be over. Without meaningful ways to defend themselves, there really is no way to win against the Chinese government.

idlewords 7y ago
How do you defend yourself against the Chinese army with just handguns and rifles? You can post the answer here, or better yet, sell it to Taiwan confidentially for billions of dollars.
- psychrometer 7y ago
  Ask the Vietnamese.
  - Retric 7y ago
    For a more recent example ISIS was crushed. The Vietnamese had massive foreign support. China is unlikely to give up so easily, and no country is going to want to keep arming such a resistance.
    - doanguyen 7y ago
      Just to be clear, in the most recent conflict between Vietnam and China, we had very limit foreign support, even the support from the Soviet.
  - doanguyen 7y ago
    I'm glad that you asked. We had a long history with our big "brother" China. But I don't think this is relevant because at the end of the day, Hong Kong and Taiwan are still Chinese.
  - decoyworker 7y ago
    The Vietnamese had room to maneuver and hide and had the support of the locals. In addition you overestimate how little the Chinese government gives a shit about the average citizen. In such an engagement there will be no "hearts and minds" war. If they decide to go the military route they will flood HK and massacre anybody who gives off the slightest whiff of sedition. Personally I think they'll just continue arresting and making people disappear to the mainland so there is nothing damaging on the news.
  - verttii 7y ago
    In all fairness the Vietnamese had among the most battle-trained armies of the time, with massive manpower, enough of weaponry and extreme determination. Plus a difficult terrain. Equipment-wise they had infantry weapons, artillery, air force, aerial defense... HK has maybe a difficult terrain?
Udik 7y ago
I hope you're being sarcastic. Partly because the idea of civilians using guns bought at the supermarket to oppose the Chinese army is hilarious; partly because the idea that you need guns to get freedom, is general, even more laughable. Sorry.
- neonIcon 7y ago
  Is the creation of the United States laughable? What was used in order to gain that freedom from Britain? Firearms maybe?
  - Udik 7y ago
    The last time some of the US states tried to secede from the rest of the union and gain their "freedom" (they were of course heavily armed) they were attacked and crushed in a war that lasted 4 years and caused almost a million deaths. So in that case the weapons didn't work. Or did they? Sometimes armed rebellion has good outcomes, sometimes (probably more often) it has horribly tragic ones. Prolonged political pressure and alliances, non-violent protest, can give equally good results without the risk of creating bloodsheds like the US secession war or the current Syrian civil war (that as horrendous as it is, has yet to claim as many victims as the US secession war).
    - nameismypw 7y ago
      This is a very privileged and perhaps even ignorant view to take. Not everybody has the luxury of waiting for a peaceful revolution to happen.
      - Udik 7y ago
        > This is a very privileged and perhaps even ignorant view to take. I'll spare myself the obvious retort. Not everyone has the privilege of starting an armed revolution and succeed, or simply survive. Not everyone who does is guaranteed to be in the right (for example the US states that tried to secede). And the outcome can be complete destruction for yourself, for your city and your region, and hundreds of thousands of deaths and millions displaced and homeless- many of whom couldn't care less about your "revolution". Do I condemn armed resistance? No. Of course not, sometimes it is inevitable. But the idea that you should distribute firearms to people just in case somebody one day decides he's fed up and wants to start shooting other people for freedom, or for white supremacy, or- why not- for a religious caliphate- that is ridiculous.
omnimus 7y ago
Public armed with personal arms would change nothing when tanks roll in. Power of public is in numbers. Revolutions happen when everybody including soldiers become the protesters. Unfortunately in this media age thats going to be harder and harder.

idlewords 7y ago

How do you defend yourself against the Chinese army with just handguns and rifles? You can post the answer here, or better yet, sell it to Taiwan confidentially for billions of dollars.

psychrometer 7y ago
Ask the Vietnamese.
- Retric 7y ago
  For a more recent example ISIS was crushed. The Vietnamese had massive foreign support. China is unlikely to give up so easily, and no country is going to want to keep arming such a resistance.
  - doanguyen 7y ago
    Just to be clear, in the most recent conflict between Vietnam and China, we had very limit foreign support, even the support from the Soviet.
- doanguyen 7y ago
  I'm glad that you asked. We had a long history with our big "brother" China. But I don't think this is relevant because at the end of the day, Hong Kong and Taiwan are still Chinese.
- decoyworker 7y ago
  The Vietnamese had room to maneuver and hide and had the support of the locals. In addition you overestimate how little the Chinese government gives a shit about the average citizen. In such an engagement there will be no "hearts and minds" war. If they decide to go the military route they will flood HK and massacre anybody who gives off the slightest whiff of sedition. Personally I think they'll just continue arresting and making people disappear to the mainland so there is nothing damaging on the news.
- verttii 7y ago
  In all fairness the Vietnamese had among the most battle-trained armies of the time, with massive manpower, enough of weaponry and extreme determination. Plus a difficult terrain. Equipment-wise they had infantry weapons, artillery, air force, aerial defense... HK has maybe a difficult terrain?

Udik 7y ago

I hope you're being sarcastic. Partly because the idea of civilians using guns bought at the supermarket to oppose the Chinese army is hilarious; partly because the idea that you need guns to get freedom, is general, even more laughable. Sorry.

neonIcon 7y ago
Is the creation of the United States laughable? What was used in order to gain that freedom from Britain? Firearms maybe?
- Udik 7y ago
  The last time some of the US states tried to secede from the rest of the union and gain their "freedom" (they were of course heavily armed) they were attacked and crushed in a war that lasted 4 years and caused almost a million deaths. So in that case the weapons didn't work. Or did they? Sometimes armed rebellion has good outcomes, sometimes (probably more often) it has horribly tragic ones. Prolonged political pressure and alliances, non-violent protest, can give equally good results without the risk of creating bloodsheds like the US secession war or the current Syrian civil war (that as horrendous as it is, has yet to claim as many victims as the US secession war).
  - nameismypw 7y ago
    This is a very privileged and perhaps even ignorant view to take. Not everybody has the luxury of waiting for a peaceful revolution to happen.
    - Udik 7y ago
      > This is a very privileged and perhaps even ignorant view to take. I'll spare myself the obvious retort. Not everyone has the privilege of starting an armed revolution and succeed, or simply survive. Not everyone who does is guaranteed to be in the right (for example the US states that tried to secede). And the outcome can be complete destruction for yourself, for your city and your region, and hundreds of thousands of deaths and millions displaced and homeless- many of whom couldn't care less about your "revolution". Do I condemn armed resistance? No. Of course not, sometimes it is inevitable. But the idea that you should distribute firearms to people just in case somebody one day decides he's fed up and wants to start shooting other people for freedom, or for white supremacy, or- why not- for a religious caliphate- that is ridiculous.

omnimus 7y ago

Public armed with personal arms would change nothing when tanks roll in. Power of public is in numbers. Revolutions happen when everybody including soldiers become the protesters. Unfortunately in this media age thats going to be harder and harder.