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Countries where it's normal for both parents to work rely on a serf class, usually of immigrant women, to care for their children at terrible wages so both pare
by Consultant32452 7y ago
Countries where it's normal for both parents to work rely on a serf class, usually of immigrant women, to care for their children at terrible wages so both parents can work. I wonder how long this can be sustainable.
- varjag 7y agoPlenty countries where both parents normally work and there are no servants.
- Consultant32452 7y agoWho is taking care of the children? Who works in the daycares?
- coldtea 7y agoThey who work in the daycares are not a "serf class", they are paid professionals, and they don't need to have "terrible wages" in a civilized country.
- Consultant32452 7y agoSure, they don't need to have terrible wages. Do they though? Are daycare workers a healthy mix of educated men and women with a lot of other economic opportunities but choose to be daycare workers because of the pay or emotional rewards?
- badpun 7y agoIn Poland, you need to have a specialized degree to work with children in a daycare/kindergarden. The wages mostly suck though.
- Swizec 7y agoWhere I’m from (slovenia) you need to major in kindergarten education to be a kindergarten teacher. So while the major is a little limited, it’s still a bachelors.
- coldtea 7y ago>Are daycare workers a healthy mix of educated men and women with a lot of other economic opportunities but choose to be daycare workers because of the pay or emotional rewards? That's shifting the goalposts a little. Why would they need to have "a lot of other economic opportunities" anymore than tons of jobs (restaurant staff, retail employees, factory workers, truckers, etc) have?
- varjag 7y agoHere in Norway daycare is an OK respectable job. Not particularly high paying but not the lowest on the scale either. A full time daycare professional can pay their rent, living expenses and travel for vacation off that.
- ryanmercer 7y ago>They who work in the daycares are not a "serf class", they are paid professionals I wouldn't say 'professionals', in the United States daycare workers can expect to make a little more than minimum wage to start and might get up to 10-11$ an hour for dealing with the maximum number of kids allowed by law all day. And unless you're talking some elite, gotta get on a waiting list and pay 30 grand a year to send one kid, anyone that passes a background check can get a job in daycare.
- ido 7y agoI live in Germany, both my kids go to public kindergarten/daycare (there is no distinction between the 2 here, it starts when the child is 1 year old) & the kindergarten teachers are mostly German themselves. They don't earn great wages but they are not indentured servants either.
- Consultant32452 7y agoRight. So there's a large group of mostly women who accept low wages to store children so more privileged people can go earn higher wages.
- majewsky 7y agoIf anything, the wages are so low because people like you consider these thankless hard jobs "child storage".
- ido 7y agoWhy do you assume the kindergarten teachers earn less than they would have otherwise had in a different job or less than the average parent of the kids in their group? I mean yes, I support better wages for them (jobs in education generally don't pay that great) & I'm sure people working in the financial sector earn much more but I don't think that was the alternative the common teacher had to chose from. As I said wages are not great but they are not that far from the median. My wife (teacher in a music school) doesn't earn more than a kindergarten teacher, the advantage is mostly in economies of scale (1 teacher per 6-7 pupils vs 1 mother per 1-3 offspring).
- DomreiRoam 7y agoThey are professional trained, it takes 4 years to get a "puériculteur/puéricultrice" diploma in a university or equivalent. You have also nursery assistant that works under the supervision but even that need formal training + hand-on experience. It varies a lot from country to country, but to assume that nobody would like to work with small children or that, as a parent, you would let your children under the care of untrained people is strange for me.
- lostjohnny 7y agoThe state! Have you ever heard about public schools? They are a thing in Europe. have you ever heard of family? Kids usually have four grand parents (sometimes less, sometimes more)
- odiroot 7y agoIn my country (Poland) we "use" grandparents for that.
- rorykoehler 7y agoIt's the same in Asia. It's a great way to ensure entrenched cultural norms are passed across generations. This can be positive but I'd wager it's more likely negative especially considering the lives current grandparents led.
- thomasfl 7y agoIn my country (Norway) retired grandparents stay at the mediterranean sea during wintertime.
- CalRobert 7y agoBit of a disadvantage for big families (lots of kids-per-grandparent) or this without grandparents around...