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Yet another HN user talking about their use case. 99% of people are not your typical HN user.

by cocochanel 7y ago

dkersten 7y ago
So, 99% of people care more about aesthetics than about than content? Got anything to back that up?
- Kiro 7y ago
  It's also about UX, accessibility, readability etc which often become a mess if you browse the desktop version on mobile. I also resort to the desktop version sometimes but it's very seldom the mobile version is actually missing content. Besides, I think most people have no idea that "Browse desktop version" even exists.
  - Mindwipe 7y ago
    > I also resort to the desktop version sometimes but it's very seldom the mobile version is actually missing content. Lol. I don't remember the last time I came across an AMP page that wasn't missing content.
    - Kiro 7y ago
      Do you have any examples? I think it's a separate topic though (AMP compared to mobile sites in general).
- solarkraft 7y ago
  Basically (since most people won't use the features of the desktop version and would be severely slowed down by it on mobile): Yes.
- esrauch 7y ago
  I'm surely still not in the 99% but honestly there's hardly any content that individually actually matters to me, it's almost all info-tainment. If it's hard to read then I won't bother at all. There's exceptions like restaurant menus at specific places that I'm considering, but certainly there's no mainstream news article that's worth me staining my eyes over: if it loads a desktop site on my mobile phone I'll definitely just hit back and move on regardless of the content.
  - gnu8 7y ago
    It's sort of like saying 99% of cattle prefer the chute that brings them most efficiently to the killing grate. It isn't really about what they want, just about how they behave.
  - meowface 7y ago
    Exactly. Privacy and revenue-leeching issues aside, as an end user, I love AMP. Near-instant loading of articles with all the horrible bullshit and clutter removed? What's not to love? I constantly find myself closing pages on mobile within the first second if they're taking too long to render or if they become fucked up from all the ads and comments and social media button, each one dislocating other elements and moving them around as it renders, or just because they were poorly designed for mobile. There's a huge chunk of content I never bother to see because it's too much of a pain in the ass to actually read on my phone. If I have to adjust the zoom or scroll to a different part of the page to see any text, you've probably already lost me, unless it's content I went out of my way to seek out.
echion 7y ago
99% of the people who don't care about the content are more important than the 1% who do? What if it were 51%? How is it supposed to move, if the standards-setters don't move the passive consumers?
wruza 7y ago
I just tried to browse while not logged into HN. The issue persists.
dfhdshfff 7y ago
for example the mobile version of facebook, doesn't let you see messages. The desktop one does and works fine.
- turbonoobie 7y ago
  I've been able to see/send messages from the mobile site recently actually. I might finally be able to remove the Messenger app from my phone as well.
  - is_true 7y ago
    Me too. I think I was using fb with the mbasic.facebook.com URL.
danShumway 7y ago
> Is the look of the website really more important than the content and functionality? If 99% of people don't agree with this, then why are we wasting time with AMP? AMP's primary sales-pitch to end-users when it first came out was that pages would be faster and content would be more uniform, because site operators wouldn't be allowed to add custom styles and flashy controls or widgets.

Yet another HN user talking about their use case. 99% of people are not your typical HN user.

dkersten 7y ago

So, 99% of people care more about aesthetics than about than content? Got anything to back that up?

Kiro 7y ago
It's also about UX, accessibility, readability etc which often become a mess if you browse the desktop version on mobile. I also resort to the desktop version sometimes but it's very seldom the mobile version is actually missing content. Besides, I think most people have no idea that "Browse desktop version" even exists.
- Mindwipe 7y ago
  > I also resort to the desktop version sometimes but it's very seldom the mobile version is actually missing content. Lol. I don't remember the last time I came across an AMP page that wasn't missing content.
  - Kiro 7y ago
    Do you have any examples? I think it's a separate topic though (AMP compared to mobile sites in general).
solarkraft 7y ago
Basically (since most people won't use the features of the desktop version and would be severely slowed down by it on mobile): Yes.
esrauch 7y ago
I'm surely still not in the 99% but honestly there's hardly any content that individually actually matters to me, it's almost all info-tainment. If it's hard to read then I won't bother at all. There's exceptions like restaurant menus at specific places that I'm considering, but certainly there's no mainstream news article that's worth me staining my eyes over: if it loads a desktop site on my mobile phone I'll definitely just hit back and move on regardless of the content.
- gnu8 7y ago
  It's sort of like saying 99% of cattle prefer the chute that brings them most efficiently to the killing grate. It isn't really about what they want, just about how they behave.
- meowface 7y ago
  Exactly. Privacy and revenue-leeching issues aside, as an end user, I love AMP. Near-instant loading of articles with all the horrible bullshit and clutter removed? What's not to love? I constantly find myself closing pages on mobile within the first second if they're taking too long to render or if they become fucked up from all the ads and comments and social media button, each one dislocating other elements and moving them around as it renders, or just because they were poorly designed for mobile. There's a huge chunk of content I never bother to see because it's too much of a pain in the ass to actually read on my phone. If I have to adjust the zoom or scroll to a different part of the page to see any text, you've probably already lost me, unless it's content I went out of my way to seek out.

echion 7y ago

99% of the people who don't care about the content are more important than the 1% who do? What if it were 51%? How is it supposed to move, if the standards-setters don't move the passive consumers?

wruza 7y ago

I just tried to browse while not logged into HN. The issue persists.

dfhdshfff 7y ago

for example the mobile version of facebook, doesn't let you see messages. The desktop one does and works fine.

turbonoobie 7y ago
I've been able to see/send messages from the mobile site recently actually. I might finally be able to remove the Messenger app from my phone as well.
- is_true 7y ago
  Me too. I think I was using fb with the mbasic.facebook.com URL.

danShumway 7y ago

> Is the look of the website really more important than the content and functionality? If 99% of people don't agree with this, then why are we wasting time with AMP? AMP's primary sales-pitch to end-users when it first came out was that pages would be faster and content would be more uniform, because site operators wouldn't be allowed to add custom styles and flashy controls or widgets.