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waiting for business people to solve this problem is silly. We need an institution that represents a broad cross section of the population. Something like...go

waiting for business people to solve this problem is silly. We need an institution that represents a broad cross section of the population. Something like...government

KnightOfWords 7y ago
And on top of that, inter-government cooperation to tackle a global problem. Like we had to address CFCs pollution. With the political will to sanction countries that deny the evidence and won't play ball.
- rficcaglia 7y ago
  Is that (CFCs) even solved? https://www.cnn.com/2019/05/22/health/china-cfc-pollution-environment-intl-scn/index.html https://www.cnn.com/2019/05/22/health/china-cfc-pollution-en...
  - wcoenen 7y ago
    It's still being solved, in the sense that CFCs in the atmosphere aren't zero but they are decreasing. The new emissions were only a minor setback. From the article you linked: > Atmospheric chlorine levels are still decreasing but more slowly than expected The Chinese government tracked down the emitters: https://nationalpost.com/news/world/china-makes-arrests-shuts-down-rogue-chemical-factories-that-spewed-banned-ozone-depleting-gas https://nationalpost.com/news/world/china-makes-arrests-shut...
rficcaglia 7y ago
If one country can’t get its stuff together across religious, educational, socioeconomic and cultural barriers....how can a planet scale coordinated governmental effort by committee work? Ask Al Gore how that worked. Or the Paris Treaty folks.
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- smolder 7y ago
  Not all committees and not all governments are equal. You can't throw away either.
  - rficcaglia 7y ago
    True but all you need is one of the bigger ones to spoil the party and that gives cover for everyone else. This problem cannot be solved by committee. I don’t expect anyone to agree with me, I just plan to move to higher ground.
- kingkawn 7y ago
  Our impending universal death may provide the inspiration we’ve been missing
  - madaxe_again 7y ago
    I think the transition from apathy to resignation will be seamless - humans are not good at dealing with long term risk and threat. When it becomes an imminent threat, which will likely be soon, it will already be too late. No, the only way anything changes is at the point of a spear. There has to be an imminent and tangible threat, now. Otherwise, it’s business as usual.
    - ulisesrmzroche 7y ago
      I dunno who downvoted y’all but this place has always been square ville. I suppose it’s even worse now Anyway, Civilizations come and go. The Romans, at one point, had running water too Whose to say we ain’t bout to run into another dark age? But for sure, Silicon Valley has nothing to contribute There’s not a single drop of revolutionary blood in that city
- yk 7y ago
  Works pretty well, except for the one country that is currently self sanctioning under the assumption that trade wars are easy to win.
1PlayerOne 7y ago
It is a strange moment in time we are in when government is no longer seen as a viable solution to problems. The consensus to act in the common good is being diverted into niche outlets. Is it a result of technological advance in communication? And how do we solve this problem? With more technology?
- mywittyname 7y ago
  Restore faith in government; which entails restoring faith in elected officials; which involves electing people who support the common good; which requires people to take an active, thoughtful place in political discourse.
  - 1PlayerOne 7y ago
    Agree with your goals. Now tell me how you think this can happen? People are dividing themselves into so many self selecting grouping that it is nigh impossible to reach consensus.
  - orthecreedence 7y ago
    > Restore faith in government; which entails restoring faith in elected officials; which involves electing people who support the common good; which requires people to take an active, thoughtful place in political discourse. Which requires people to work 30 hours a week (not 50) and requires removing money from politics, which requires an incredibly complex rebirth of the political system... Not saying it can't happen, but the time frames don't add up. We need to solve this problem right fucking now not in 50 years. And with a large segment of people still even denying the existence of climate change, it's hard to be hopeful about meaningful reforms in the right direction when so much has to change.
crazynick4 7y ago
Yes, as long as the government recognizes that the ones who created the problem are the ones who should pay for it, in other words the businesses and not the people.

waiting for business people to solve this problem is silly. We need an institution that represents a broad cross section of the population. Something like...government

KnightOfWords 7y ago

And on top of that, inter-government cooperation to tackle a global problem. Like we had to address CFCs pollution. With the political will to sanction countries that deny the evidence and won't play ball.

rficcaglia 7y ago
Is that (CFCs) even solved? https://www.cnn.com/2019/05/22/health/china-cfc-pollution-environment-intl-scn/index.html https://www.cnn.com/2019/05/22/health/china-cfc-pollution-en...
- wcoenen 7y ago
  It's still being solved, in the sense that CFCs in the atmosphere aren't zero but they are decreasing. The new emissions were only a minor setback. From the article you linked: > Atmospheric chlorine levels are still decreasing but more slowly than expected The Chinese government tracked down the emitters: https://nationalpost.com/news/world/china-makes-arrests-shuts-down-rogue-chemical-factories-that-spewed-banned-ozone-depleting-gas https://nationalpost.com/news/world/china-makes-arrests-shut...

rficcaglia 7y ago

If one country can’t get its stuff together across religious, educational, socioeconomic and cultural barriers....how can a planet scale coordinated governmental effort by committee work? Ask Al Gore how that worked. Or the Paris Treaty folks.

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smolder 7y ago
Not all committees and not all governments are equal. You can't throw away either.
- rficcaglia 7y ago
  True but all you need is one of the bigger ones to spoil the party and that gives cover for everyone else. This problem cannot be solved by committee. I don’t expect anyone to agree with me, I just plan to move to higher ground.
kingkawn 7y ago
Our impending universal death may provide the inspiration we’ve been missing
- madaxe_again 7y ago
  I think the transition from apathy to resignation will be seamless - humans are not good at dealing with long term risk and threat. When it becomes an imminent threat, which will likely be soon, it will already be too late. No, the only way anything changes is at the point of a spear. There has to be an imminent and tangible threat, now. Otherwise, it’s business as usual.
  - ulisesrmzroche 7y ago
    I dunno who downvoted y’all but this place has always been square ville. I suppose it’s even worse now Anyway, Civilizations come and go. The Romans, at one point, had running water too Whose to say we ain’t bout to run into another dark age? But for sure, Silicon Valley has nothing to contribute There’s not a single drop of revolutionary blood in that city
yk 7y ago
Works pretty well, except for the one country that is currently self sanctioning under the assumption that trade wars are easy to win.

1PlayerOne 7y ago

It is a strange moment in time we are in when government is no longer seen as a viable solution to problems. The consensus to act in the common good is being diverted into niche outlets. Is it a result of technological advance in communication? And how do we solve this problem? With more technology?

mywittyname 7y ago
Restore faith in government; which entails restoring faith in elected officials; which involves electing people who support the common good; which requires people to take an active, thoughtful place in political discourse.
- 1PlayerOne 7y ago
  Agree with your goals. Now tell me how you think this can happen? People are dividing themselves into so many self selecting grouping that it is nigh impossible to reach consensus.
- orthecreedence 7y ago
  > Restore faith in government; which entails restoring faith in elected officials; which involves electing people who support the common good; which requires people to take an active, thoughtful place in political discourse. Which requires people to work 30 hours a week (not 50) and requires removing money from politics, which requires an incredibly complex rebirth of the political system... Not saying it can't happen, but the time frames don't add up. We need to solve this problem right fucking now not in 50 years. And with a large segment of people still even denying the existence of climate change, it's hard to be hopeful about meaningful reforms in the right direction when so much has to change.

crazynick4 7y ago

Yes, as long as the government recognizes that the ones who created the problem are the ones who should pay for it, in other words the businesses and not the people.