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I'm not saying that the Chinese government is a good government. But a slaving government IS better than warlords. And historically speaking, the current govern

I'm not saying that the Chinese government is a good government. But a slaving government IS better than warlords. And historically speaking, the current government did unify China in 1949, which is a very important thing in Chinese culture. If we were to overthrow the Chinese government, can we get a better tomorrow for the Chinese people? The west have show us what happened in Middle East. Clearly, wars are not what we want. I'm saying that we want democracy, we do want that, but blaming it all to "the evil communist party" is not a good way show us how to get a democracy, please provide some practical guidance. Thanks.

rickycook 7y ago
i think the problem is that the current chinese government is going further and further away from what average chinese citizens would probably want, and them using misinformation to keep order hong kong has demonstrated, with some of the largest protests in global history, that they do not want the chinese government to interfere with the autonomy that they currently have. the chinese government has responded with misinformation to sway their population so that they can continue to constrain hong kong in ways that they don’t want the point isn’t really that the chinese government isn’t better than an alternative, it’s that it’s going in a direction further away from what it’s citizens would generally agree they want, and not allowing people the knowledge to even know it’s happening, let alone the freedom to have a discussion about alternatives
- luckylion 7y ago
  > further and further away from what average chinese citizens would probably want Like "being raised out of poverty"? For large parts of the Chinese population, the biggest concern isn't 4G coverage or cultural appropriation at some college party.
  - rickycook 7y ago
    it’s not either or
Aeolun 7y ago
I don’t think that, practically, countries have often gone from authoritarian to democratic without violence.
- FooBarWidget 7y ago
  Ahem. South Korea, Singapore, Taiwan. They were authoritarian before they were democratic.
  - actuator 7y ago
    All the examples you gave are of small countries with largely the same ethnic group. China also is largely Han Chinese but the region is pretty big so it would have differences. Also, areas like Tibet or where Uighurs live will want out.

rickycook 7y ago

i think the problem is that the current chinese government is going further and further away from what average chinese citizens would probably want, and them using misinformation to keep order hong kong has demonstrated, with some of the largest protests in global history, that they do not want the chinese government to interfere with the autonomy that they currently have. the chinese government has responded with misinformation to sway their population so that they can continue to constrain hong kong in ways that they don’t want the point isn’t really that the chinese government isn’t better than an alternative, it’s that it’s going in a direction further away from what it’s citizens would generally agree they want, and not allowing people the knowledge to even know it’s happening, let alone the freedom to have a discussion about alternatives

luckylion 7y ago
> further and further away from what average chinese citizens would probably want Like "being raised out of poverty"? For large parts of the Chinese population, the biggest concern isn't 4G coverage or cultural appropriation at some college party.
- rickycook 7y ago
  it’s not either or

Aeolun 7y ago

I don’t think that, practically, countries have often gone from authoritarian to democratic without violence.

FooBarWidget 7y ago
Ahem. South Korea, Singapore, Taiwan. They were authoritarian before they were democratic.
- actuator 7y ago
  All the examples you gave are of small countries with largely the same ethnic group. China also is largely Han Chinese but the region is pretty big so it would have differences. Also, areas like Tibet or where Uighurs live will want out.