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This is a bit revisionist. As a kid I remember japan being pitched at the economic enemy quite a bit in the 80s and early 90s. "They're buying our country" was

This is a bit revisionist. As a kid I remember japan being pitched at the economic enemy quite a bit in the 80s and early 90s. "They're buying our country" was one refrain, like the claim with "the Chinese are why I can't buy a house" right now. Also things like https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rising_Sun_(novel) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rising_Sun_(novel) and a lot of other fiction showing us (americanos) working for japanese business overlords. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CS_17xMmmLY https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CS_17xMmmLY for another example.

seanmcdirmid 7y ago
That is a even a bit more revisionist, our relationship with Japan was very friendly in the 1980s, and the economic competition aspect was more benign even in the rust belt. As long as we are drawing from pop culture, the movie Gung Ho (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gung_Ho_(film) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gung_Ho_(film)) is a more accurate reflection of the sentiment of the time. There has just to be a gung ho kind of movie for China, as far as I can tell. Likewise, Japan continued to be a top strategic ally of the USA in the 80s, it was never seen as a strategic competitor like China is today.
- aksss 7y ago
  I remember relatives in the eighties expressing worries about the Japanese buying up farmland, and the movie Rising Sun or whatever - the theory being that what Japan couldn’t do militarily they were going to accomplish economically. There was concern about Japan as an enemy but never solidly like we have with China today. As you say, Japan never stopped being an ally, and China is barely this side of detente.
mattrp 7y ago
I agree - Everything was cool right up to the point where Japan started buying skyscrapers in NY then they became evil. But I would also agree before this gained any real traction, the Japan era was over. I think the issue with China is different. I think there are numerous unresolved tensions — too many to even enumerate here - that the US is unlikely to see China as anything but a competitor and vice versa. While I think it’s possible to avoid a conventional war, neither country seems to have thought about the consequences of an outright cyber war nor has either party developed any of the cyber stalemate equivalents that have kept nuclear war from happening so far.

seanmcdirmid 7y ago

That is a even a bit more revisionist, our relationship with Japan was very friendly in the 1980s, and the economic competition aspect was more benign even in the rust belt. As long as we are drawing from pop culture, the movie Gung Ho (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gung_Ho_(film) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gung_Ho_(film)) is a more accurate reflection of the sentiment of the time. There has just to be a gung ho kind of movie for China, as far as I can tell. Likewise, Japan continued to be a top strategic ally of the USA in the 80s, it was never seen as a strategic competitor like China is today.

aksss 7y ago
I remember relatives in the eighties expressing worries about the Japanese buying up farmland, and the movie Rising Sun or whatever - the theory being that what Japan couldn’t do militarily they were going to accomplish economically. There was concern about Japan as an enemy but never solidly like we have with China today. As you say, Japan never stopped being an ally, and China is barely this side of detente.

mattrp 7y ago

I agree - Everything was cool right up to the point where Japan started buying skyscrapers in NY then they became evil. But I would also agree before this gained any real traction, the Japan era was over. I think the issue with China is different. I think there are numerous unresolved tensions — too many to even enumerate here - that the US is unlikely to see China as anything but a competitor and vice versa. While I think it’s possible to avoid a conventional war, neither country seems to have thought about the consequences of an outright cyber war nor has either party developed any of the cyber stalemate equivalents that have kept nuclear war from happening so far.