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Serious question- what is Tesla's technological advantage with batteries? I always hear people say that Tesla batteries are above and beyond all competitors, a

Serious question- what is Tesla's technological advantage with batteries? I always hear people say that Tesla batteries are above and beyond all competitors, and then I read articles like this which make me doubt that claim: https://www.thisismoney.co.uk/money/cars/article-7364605/Test-reveals-range-Teslas-Model-3-90-miles-claimed.html https://www.thisismoney.co.uk/money/cars/article-7364605/Tes...

bryanlarsen 7y ago
1. A Tesla goes about 50% further per KwH than an e-tron. 2. Audi had to scale back 2019 production of etron due to battery apply supply issues. It calls into question Volkswagen group's ability to make millions of EVs in 2022 as planned if they can't make 50,000 etrons in 2019. https://www.electrive.com/2019/04/23/audi-revises-production-numbers-of-the-e-tron-downwards/ https://www.electrive.com/2019/04/23/audi-revises-production...
- bryanlarsen 7y ago
  3. The table in the article you linked shows Tesla way ahead of everything else. Did you like the right article?
  - clouddrover 7y ago
    No, the Teslas are behind the Hyundais and the I-Pace in What Car?'s "Real Range" test cycle. Here's a better link: https://www.thisismoney.co.uk/money/cars/article-7137701/Best-electric-cars-real-world-range-buy-NOW.html https://www.thisismoney.co.uk/money/cars/article-7137701/Bes... https://whatcar.com/news/what-car-real-range-which-electric-car-can-go-farthest-in-the-real-world/n18159 https://whatcar.com/news/what-car-real-range-which-electric-... What Car? claims its test cycle is more realistic and more representative of actual range. The best Tesla finishes fourth. The Kia e-Niro is equal second with the Jaguar I-Pace and the Hyundai Kona is first.
    - kylecordes 7y ago
      That's a pretty nice test cycle. But they oddly hobbled Tesla by choosing the model 3 variant that substantially sacrifices range for performance (mostly with an inefficient but fun wheel+tire). If they had chosen one of the other Model 3 variants it would have likely been #1 by some margin, yet still with significantly higher performance than the other top contenders. On the plus side, the fact there is competition at all is utterly wonderful. In the same test a few years ago it would've been all Teslas at the top.
      - clouddrover 7y ago
        > But they oddly hobbled Tesla by choosing the model 3 variant that substantially sacrifices range for performance Maybe, maybe not. On the EPA test cycle the Model 3 Long Range and the Model 3 Performance all wheel drive models both claim a range of 310 miles. But on the WLTP test cycle the Long Range gets 348 miles and the Performance gets 329 miles. The rear wheel drive Model 3 Long Range was discontinued. It'd be interesting to see the comparison under What Car?'s test cycle but they might end up pretty similar to each other.
    - skellington 7y ago
      Well, they didn't include any of Tesla's long range models and i-pace owners have been saying (on forums) that their real world range is much less than the official number.
      - clouddrover 7y ago
        And the rationalization for losing to Hyundai's Kia Niro and Hyundai Kona? How far can the best Tesla go in 24 hours? The Porsche Taycan can do 3,425 KMs: https://electrek.co/2019/08/19/porsche-taycan-electric-car-24-hr-endurance-test/ https://electrek.co/2019/08/19/porsche-taycan-electric-car-2...

bryanlarsen 7y ago

1. A Tesla goes about 50% further per KwH than an e-tron. 2. Audi had to scale back 2019 production of etron due to battery apply supply issues. It calls into question Volkswagen group's ability to make millions of EVs in 2022 as planned if they can't make 50,000 etrons in 2019. https://www.electrive.com/2019/04/23/audi-revises-production-numbers-of-the-e-tron-downwards/ https://www.electrive.com/2019/04/23/audi-revises-production...

bryanlarsen 7y ago
3. The table in the article you linked shows Tesla way ahead of everything else. Did you like the right article?
- clouddrover 7y ago
  No, the Teslas are behind the Hyundais and the I-Pace in What Car?'s "Real Range" test cycle. Here's a better link: https://www.thisismoney.co.uk/money/cars/article-7137701/Best-electric-cars-real-world-range-buy-NOW.html https://www.thisismoney.co.uk/money/cars/article-7137701/Bes... https://whatcar.com/news/what-car-real-range-which-electric-car-can-go-farthest-in-the-real-world/n18159 https://whatcar.com/news/what-car-real-range-which-electric-... What Car? claims its test cycle is more realistic and more representative of actual range. The best Tesla finishes fourth. The Kia e-Niro is equal second with the Jaguar I-Pace and the Hyundai Kona is first.
  - kylecordes 7y ago
    That's a pretty nice test cycle. But they oddly hobbled Tesla by choosing the model 3 variant that substantially sacrifices range for performance (mostly with an inefficient but fun wheel+tire). If they had chosen one of the other Model 3 variants it would have likely been #1 by some margin, yet still with significantly higher performance than the other top contenders. On the plus side, the fact there is competition at all is utterly wonderful. In the same test a few years ago it would've been all Teslas at the top.
    - clouddrover 7y ago
      > But they oddly hobbled Tesla by choosing the model 3 variant that substantially sacrifices range for performance Maybe, maybe not. On the EPA test cycle the Model 3 Long Range and the Model 3 Performance all wheel drive models both claim a range of 310 miles. But on the WLTP test cycle the Long Range gets 348 miles and the Performance gets 329 miles. The rear wheel drive Model 3 Long Range was discontinued. It'd be interesting to see the comparison under What Car?'s test cycle but they might end up pretty similar to each other.
  - skellington 7y ago
    Well, they didn't include any of Tesla's long range models and i-pace owners have been saying (on forums) that their real world range is much less than the official number.
    - clouddrover 7y ago
      And the rationalization for losing to Hyundai's Kia Niro and Hyundai Kona? How far can the best Tesla go in 24 hours? The Porsche Taycan can do 3,425 KMs: https://electrek.co/2019/08/19/porsche-taycan-electric-car-24-hr-endurance-test/ https://electrek.co/2019/08/19/porsche-taycan-electric-car-2...