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iMessage too. It's insane to me that this is still a problem.

spullara 7y ago
Anything that opens a network increases spam.
filleokus 7y ago
I guess you mean something that is first party on both platforms? Otherwise SMS-like communication is obviously a solved issue (Signal/WhatsApp/Messenger et al). Does Android have something similar to iMessage?
- icelancer 7y ago
  >> Does Android have something similar to iMessage? No. The parent to your comment means open iMessage between Android and iOS.
  - filleokus 7y ago
    That's obviously never going to happen. The best we can hope for is probably something Googely with support for iOS
    - marios 7y ago
      Which is not going to happen because Google has multiple competing messaging apps.
      - tpetry 7y ago
        And is regularly killing one to start two new ones.
- yoz-y 7y ago
  > Does Android have something similar to iMessage? Kind of-ish. The RCS support is rolling out slowly. Of course there is a big difference in that RCS is not end to end encrypted. Also, there is nothing stopping Apple from implementing RCS as well, but I doubt they will do.
  - checktheorder 7y ago
    If Apple does adopt RCS, it's likely only as a fallback for iMessage, much like SMS today. And rather than Apple abandoning control over their messaging platform, I'd sooner bet on Apple releasing iMessage and Facetime for Android with a small subscription fee. Probably in the range of US$1-$2/month. If there's one thing that Apple hates more than lost profits, it's handing over control of anything to carriers. Cheap-subscription iMessage/Facetime for Android would strangle RCS/Duo in the cradle and put a thumb in the eye of the carriers, while bringing in some steady and significant regular revenue. Let's not forget that Apple is already offering a subscription service on Android, Apple Music. They're not averse to the concept.
- arwineap 7y ago
  They did and it was hangouts. Worked great on iOS as well.
tecleandor 7y ago
That's not a problem. That was precisely Apple's idea: a not interoperable message network. We had XMPP among others, and Apple decided not to be open. We now also have Signal or Telegram, which are multi-platform.
- spuz 7y ago
  Sorry but how is iMessage being a walled garden not a problem for those outside that wall?
  - snypox 7y ago
    It might be a problem but it’s definitely intended by Apple. FaceTime, too.
    - stephenr 7y ago
      Steve (Jobs) famously, and impulsively claimed they were going to release FT as open source - so impulsive that he never even checked with their lawyers first, because it never happened due to legal/licensing issues, not because they didn't want to.
      - pbhjpbhj 7y ago
        Do you think that's true, sounds exactly like a publicity stunt to ensure a big launch in the face of having no answer to "is it interoperable". If you say "yeah sure it is, we're even releasing it as open source" then you prevent the product falling at the first hurdle because people want an interoperable solution. Once you have adoption network effect carries you through. Sounds like most probably a standard corporate lie by Jobs; do you have evidence to the contrary?
        stephenr 7y ago
        Very little original software from apple is open source. Things that they’ve adopted/forked/bought are but there’s not much they’ve started from scratch and released as OSS. There is almost no expectation of it from people who know Apple. Promising something unexpected and not delivering is undoubtedly more damaging than saying nothing.
eknkc 7y ago
I like that here in Turkey every single person uses WhatsApp. I recently switched from iOS to Android and haven't realized I lost iMessage.
- pbhjpbhj 7y ago
  I'm not sure about every person but most in UK seem to have it too (all my extended family, Church fellowship, parents of my kids school class). It has some massive annoyances but it's very well embedded.

Anything that opens a network increases spam.

I guess you mean something that is first party on both platforms? Otherwise SMS-like communication is obviously a solved issue (Signal/WhatsApp/Messenger et al). Does Android have something similar to iMessage?

icelancer 7y ago
>> Does Android have something similar to iMessage? No. The parent to your comment means open iMessage between Android and iOS.
- filleokus 7y ago
  That's obviously never going to happen. The best we can hope for is probably something Googely with support for iOS
  - marios 7y ago
    Which is not going to happen because Google has multiple competing messaging apps.
    - tpetry 7y ago
      And is regularly killing one to start two new ones.
yoz-y 7y ago
> Does Android have something similar to iMessage? Kind of-ish. The RCS support is rolling out slowly. Of course there is a big difference in that RCS is not end to end encrypted. Also, there is nothing stopping Apple from implementing RCS as well, but I doubt they will do.
- checktheorder 7y ago
  If Apple does adopt RCS, it's likely only as a fallback for iMessage, much like SMS today. And rather than Apple abandoning control over their messaging platform, I'd sooner bet on Apple releasing iMessage and Facetime for Android with a small subscription fee. Probably in the range of US$1-$2/month. If there's one thing that Apple hates more than lost profits, it's handing over control of anything to carriers. Cheap-subscription iMessage/Facetime for Android would strangle RCS/Duo in the cradle and put a thumb in the eye of the carriers, while bringing in some steady and significant regular revenue. Let's not forget that Apple is already offering a subscription service on Android, Apple Music. They're not averse to the concept.
arwineap 7y ago
They did and it was hangouts. Worked great on iOS as well.

tecleandor 7y ago

That's not a problem. That was precisely Apple's idea: a not interoperable message network. We had XMPP among others, and Apple decided not to be open. We now also have Signal or Telegram, which are multi-platform.

spuz 7y ago
Sorry but how is iMessage being a walled garden not a problem for those outside that wall?
- snypox 7y ago
  It might be a problem but it’s definitely intended by Apple. FaceTime, too.
  - stephenr 7y ago
    Steve (Jobs) famously, and impulsively claimed they were going to release FT as open source - so impulsive that he never even checked with their lawyers first, because it never happened due to legal/licensing issues, not because they didn't want to.
    - pbhjpbhj 7y ago
      Do you think that's true, sounds exactly like a publicity stunt to ensure a big launch in the face of having no answer to "is it interoperable". If you say "yeah sure it is, we're even releasing it as open source" then you prevent the product falling at the first hurdle because people want an interoperable solution. Once you have adoption network effect carries you through. Sounds like most probably a standard corporate lie by Jobs; do you have evidence to the contrary?
      - stephenr 7y ago
        Very little original software from apple is open source. Things that they’ve adopted/forked/bought are but there’s not much they’ve started from scratch and released as OSS. There is almost no expectation of it from people who know Apple. Promising something unexpected and not delivering is undoubtedly more damaging than saying nothing.

eknkc 7y ago

I like that here in Turkey every single person uses WhatsApp. I recently switched from iOS to Android and haven't realized I lost iMessage.

pbhjpbhj 7y ago
I'm not sure about every person but most in UK seem to have it too (all my extended family, Church fellowship, parents of my kids school class). It has some massive annoyances but it's very well embedded.