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It's not quite that simple. The West Coast has seen a huge influx of homeless people (ex. [1] - 12% YoY increase in LA) while the nation overall has seen a dro

It's not quite that simple. The West Coast has seen a huge influx of homeless people (ex. [1] - 12% YoY increase in LA) while the nation overall has seen a drop [2]. If your homeless population is steady or falling it's easier to build enough services for them than if thousands more arrive every year. Also, I agree that more shelters and services need to be built, but it would be nice if the Federal government pitched in since it's pretty obvious we're just absorbing the homeless problems from other states. [1] https://la.curbed.com/2019/6/4/18652755/2019-homeless-count-los-angeles-numbers https://la.curbed.com/2019/6/4/18652755/2019-homeless-count-... [2] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Homelessness_in_the_United_States#/media/File:US_yearly_timeline_of_people_experiencing_homelessness.gif https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Homelessness_in_the_United_Sta...

ceejayoz 7y ago
California's also exporting their homeless problems. https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/ng-interactive/2017/dec/20/bussed-out-america-moves-homeless-people-country-study https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/ng-interactive/2017/dec/...
- gamblor956 7y ago
  Correction: we're sending a lot of the homeless back to the cities they came from. (Texas used to brag about shipping their homeless problem to LA.)
- mlyle 7y ago
  California has a big net-influx of homeless because of both relatively generous legal environment and state services (even if there is a shelter crisis) and favorable weather. Yes, California is trying to send some of the homeless back to where they come from, to little avail.
- PopeDotNinja 7y ago
  I'd be surprised if any states didn't do that. Anyone shouldering the cost providing for you is typically thrilled to buy you a one way ticket anywhere you'd like to go.
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- belltaco 7y ago
  It's the other way round. https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/ng-interactive/2017/dec/20/bussed-out-america-moves-homeless-people-country-study https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/ng-interactive/2017/dec/... CA is trying to send some people back and that's being spun as "exporting".
- RickJWagner 7y ago
  Crazy. Other places send homeless to California. California sends them back. Not many advantages to being homeless, but maybe cost of travel isn't one of them.
microtherion 7y ago
> The West Coast has seen a huge influx of homeless people Your source shows an INCREASE of homeless people, but not necessarily an INFLUX, i.e. it's not clear whether the newly homeless are in fact "arriving" (from out of state) or have been prior residents who lost their shelter. Anecdotally, I don't think I've ever met somebody who had a PLAN to move to California to be homeless there. But I've met a number of people who moved to California with limited financial resources and precarious employment prospects, and subsequently became homeless.
- oceanghost 7y ago
  Actually, rehab's are importing the homeless into California. John Oliver did a show on it. https://www.ocregister.com/2017/12/17/are-drug-rehab-centers-fueling-homelessness-in-southern-california/ https://www.ocregister.com/2017/12/17/are-drug-rehab-centers...
- licyeus 7y ago
  The LA homeless survey does track where people lived when they became homeless. In 2019, the number who became homeless outside of CA is 20% [1]. AFAIK, they don't release raw data so we can segment by newly homeless, but in 2018, this same figure was 14% [2]. Seattle / King County's survey asks a similar question and it's just 5% [3]. Conservative media up here likes to claim that homeless immigration is a significant problem (it isn't), but it seems like LA is facing a different challenge. 1 - https://www.lahsa.org/documents?id=3437-2019-greater-los-angeles-homeless-count-presentation.pdf https://www.lahsa.org/documents?id=3437-2019-greater-los-ang... 2 - https://www.lahsa.org/documents?id=2059-2018-greater-los-angeles-homeless-count-presentation.pdf https://www.lahsa.org/documents?id=2059-2018-greater-los-ang... 3 - http://allhomekc.org/wp-content/uploads/2019/07/Updated-7.11-King-County-Report.pdf http://allhomekc.org/wp-content/uploads/2019/07/Updated-7.11...
  - seanmcdirmid 7y ago
    The Seattle king county survey also found out that 80% of those homeless lived in pioneer square before becoming homeless. Definitely fishy if you know the city.
vondur 7y ago
I know I’ve read how Las Vegas and places in Texas were giving their homeless one way tickets to cities in California.

ceejayoz 7y ago

California's also exporting their homeless problems. https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/ng-interactive/2017/dec/20/bussed-out-america-moves-homeless-people-country-study https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/ng-interactive/2017/dec/...

gamblor956 7y ago
Correction: we're sending a lot of the homeless back to the cities they came from. (Texas used to brag about shipping their homeless problem to LA.)
mlyle 7y ago
California has a big net-influx of homeless because of both relatively generous legal environment and state services (even if there is a shelter crisis) and favorable weather. Yes, California is trying to send some of the homeless back to where they come from, to little avail.
PopeDotNinja 7y ago
I'd be surprised if any states didn't do that. Anyone shouldering the cost providing for you is typically thrilled to buy you a one way ticket anywhere you'd like to go.
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belltaco 7y ago
It's the other way round. https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/ng-interactive/2017/dec/20/bussed-out-america-moves-homeless-people-country-study https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/ng-interactive/2017/dec/... CA is trying to send some people back and that's being spun as "exporting".
RickJWagner 7y ago
Crazy. Other places send homeless to California. California sends them back. Not many advantages to being homeless, but maybe cost of travel isn't one of them.

microtherion 7y ago

> The West Coast has seen a huge influx of homeless people Your source shows an INCREASE of homeless people, but not necessarily an INFLUX, i.e. it's not clear whether the newly homeless are in fact "arriving" (from out of state) or have been prior residents who lost their shelter. Anecdotally, I don't think I've ever met somebody who had a PLAN to move to California to be homeless there. But I've met a number of people who moved to California with limited financial resources and precarious employment prospects, and subsequently became homeless.

oceanghost 7y ago
Actually, rehab's are importing the homeless into California. John Oliver did a show on it. https://www.ocregister.com/2017/12/17/are-drug-rehab-centers-fueling-homelessness-in-southern-california/ https://www.ocregister.com/2017/12/17/are-drug-rehab-centers...
licyeus 7y ago
The LA homeless survey does track where people lived when they became homeless. In 2019, the number who became homeless outside of CA is 20% [1]. AFAIK, they don't release raw data so we can segment by newly homeless, but in 2018, this same figure was 14% [2]. Seattle / King County's survey asks a similar question and it's just 5% [3]. Conservative media up here likes to claim that homeless immigration is a significant problem (it isn't), but it seems like LA is facing a different challenge. 1 - https://www.lahsa.org/documents?id=3437-2019-greater-los-angeles-homeless-count-presentation.pdf https://www.lahsa.org/documents?id=3437-2019-greater-los-ang... 2 - https://www.lahsa.org/documents?id=2059-2018-greater-los-angeles-homeless-count-presentation.pdf https://www.lahsa.org/documents?id=2059-2018-greater-los-ang... 3 - http://allhomekc.org/wp-content/uploads/2019/07/Updated-7.11-King-County-Report.pdf http://allhomekc.org/wp-content/uploads/2019/07/Updated-7.11...
- seanmcdirmid 7y ago
  The Seattle king county survey also found out that 80% of those homeless lived in pioneer square before becoming homeless. Definitely fishy if you know the city.

vondur 7y ago

I know I’ve read how Las Vegas and places in Texas were giving their homeless one way tickets to cities in California.