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You don't buy apps from Apple, you buy them through Apple's app store (an important difference). You can use other voice assistants, you just can't set them as

You don't buy apps from Apple, you buy them through Apple's app store (an important difference). You can use other voice assistants, you just can't set them as the default (which is a reasonable complaint) As an Android guy, I have to say that after trying Rokus, Fire TVs, and chromecasts the Apple TV is far from crappy and is honestly one of the best smart TV boxes. Anyway, you can also buy a lightning to HDMI adapter if you want to mirror your screen.

damnyou 7y ago
Of course you buy apps from Apple. That's why Apple, worth gobloads of money, can impose a 30% tax on independent app developers' labor. You can't even tell users how to subscribe without giving Apple a cut if you're on iOS. To any normal person that's an egregious abuse of power. Somehow people on HN just suck it up. Does WhatsApp force a particular voice assistant or app store on you? No? Apple's lock in is abusive. Stop prostrating in front of trillion dollar megacorps for $deity's sake. Apple is probably the biggest blind spot this site has.
- endperform 7y ago
  Google is also taking 30% when someone purchases an app through Google Play, and they also take a 15% cut of subscriptions as well, so it's not just Apple. Google forces their App Store and Assistant on you. Your Android phone manufacturer also forces other garbage on top of that as well as locking you into a version of Android with no guaranteed upgrade path. See: Samsung and Bixby. Get your facts straight, or at least take off the blinders that is your hatred of Apple.
  - damnyou 7y ago
    Of course Google is also bad, but it at least allows sideloading and other app stores.
    - endperform 7y ago
      Which also opens up a nice new attack vector.
      - Dylan16807 7y ago
        Talking about what non-google manufacturers do to some phones, and then about attack vectors while accusing someone else of having blinders on? You're firmly in moving-the-goalposts territory now.
- dijit 7y ago
  You’re going to have trouble convincing people because ultimately Apple and Google are hugely different. The non-Apple base have decided that Apple is just overhyped over-expensive gear which is only slightly more polished and a lot more locked down than whatever their favourite thing is. Apple users use Apple products because mostly it’s just honest. You get what you pay for, no hidden agendas, no up-sell.
  - damnyou 7y ago
    Every single Apple device has a hidden agenda — to make Apple even more powerful than it is today, even more of a bully. All concentrations of power are bad. As a society we must always seek to reduce power imbalances, not perpetuate them
    - irq 7y ago
      All for profit companies have that agenda- it is very much NOT hidden.
      - damnyou 7y ago
        Apple pushes it further than anyone else. You can install other app stores like F-Droid on Android.
- saagarjha 7y ago
  > Does WhatsApp force a particular voice assistant or app store on you? No? WhatsApp is not a mobile OS.
  - damnyou 7y ago
    Neither is iMessage, but only one of them forces you to use a particular mobile OS, conveniently made by the same trillion dollar megacorp, to use it.

damnyou 7y ago

Of course you buy apps from Apple. That's why Apple, worth gobloads of money, can impose a 30% tax on independent app developers' labor. You can't even tell users how to subscribe without giving Apple a cut if you're on iOS. To any normal person that's an egregious abuse of power. Somehow people on HN just suck it up. Does WhatsApp force a particular voice assistant or app store on you? No? Apple's lock in is abusive. Stop prostrating in front of trillion dollar megacorps for $deity's sake. Apple is probably the biggest blind spot this site has.

endperform 7y ago
Google is also taking 30% when someone purchases an app through Google Play, and they also take a 15% cut of subscriptions as well, so it's not just Apple. Google forces their App Store and Assistant on you. Your Android phone manufacturer also forces other garbage on top of that as well as locking you into a version of Android with no guaranteed upgrade path. See: Samsung and Bixby. Get your facts straight, or at least take off the blinders that is your hatred of Apple.
- damnyou 7y ago
  Of course Google is also bad, but it at least allows sideloading and other app stores.
  - endperform 7y ago
    Which also opens up a nice new attack vector.
    - Dylan16807 7y ago
      Talking about what non-google manufacturers do to some phones, and then about attack vectors while accusing someone else of having blinders on? You're firmly in moving-the-goalposts territory now.
dijit 7y ago
You’re going to have trouble convincing people because ultimately Apple and Google are hugely different. The non-Apple base have decided that Apple is just overhyped over-expensive gear which is only slightly more polished and a lot more locked down than whatever their favourite thing is. Apple users use Apple products because mostly it’s just honest. You get what you pay for, no hidden agendas, no up-sell.
- damnyou 7y ago
  Every single Apple device has a hidden agenda — to make Apple even more powerful than it is today, even more of a bully. All concentrations of power are bad. As a society we must always seek to reduce power imbalances, not perpetuate them
  - irq 7y ago
    All for profit companies have that agenda- it is very much NOT hidden.
    - damnyou 7y ago
      Apple pushes it further than anyone else. You can install other app stores like F-Droid on Android.
saagarjha 7y ago
> Does WhatsApp force a particular voice assistant or app store on you? No? WhatsApp is not a mobile OS.
- damnyou 7y ago
  Neither is iMessage, but only one of them forces you to use a particular mobile OS, conveniently made by the same trillion dollar megacorp, to use it.