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>It is not a company operating in a vacuum but a public company in a democracy The US is not a democracy. It is a Constitutional Republic. The Constitution l

>It is not a company operating in a vacuum but a public company in a democracy The US is not a democracy. It is a Constitutional Republic. The Constitution limits the Governmental Powers to make laws restricting speech, the Constitution does not give individuals the right to use corporate places of business or platforms to disseminate their speech.

DiseasedBadger 7y ago
It isn't just a place of corporate business, though. That's why Trump was not allowed to block people. Twitter shouldn't be able to, either.
wool_gather 7y ago
> The US is not a democracy. It is a Constitutional Republic. This is facile: it is both, and there is no contradiction. > the Constitution does not give individuals the right to use corporate places Certainly it does: the right of free association. But that's not what you meant; you meant that the Constitution does not compel the corporate place to allow individual speech. Which is true but incomplete, since we have other laws currently about a related concept, "common carriers". The debate is much higher level than the Constitution: it's about how far to extend the idea that a private conveyance has become so essential to public use that it is subject to regulation. (Meaning, yes, that some of the private entity's rights are curtailed.)
- throwaway_law 7y ago
  >This is facile It is basic 7th grade civics, Section 4 of the Constitution: >The United States shall guarantee to every State in this Union a Republican Form of Government Founding Father John Adams: >"No determinations are carried, it is true, in a simple representative democracy, but by consent of the majority or their representatives." The word "democracy" appearing in the Constitution: 0 Extra fun fact, the US is not the first Constitutional Republic, it is the 2nd behind San Marino. > there is no contradiction If you used democratic republic there is not, where the people vote and elect the representative leaders, then there is no contradiction. But democracy comes from Ancient Greece where all citizens with a right to vote directly decided the issues with votes, issues were not decided by elected representative. Its a significantly different form of government not just a typical HN pedantic point. >the right of free association The right to associate has nothing to do with accessing corporate property to disseminate your speech.
imbored 7y ago
The US is a democracy. The US is also a republic.

DiseasedBadger 7y ago

It isn't just a place of corporate business, though. That's why Trump was not allowed to block people. Twitter shouldn't be able to, either.

wool_gather 7y ago

> The US is not a democracy. It is a Constitutional Republic. This is facile: it is both, and there is no contradiction. > the Constitution does not give individuals the right to use corporate places Certainly it does: the right of free association. But that's not what you meant; you meant that the Constitution does not compel the corporate place to allow individual speech. Which is true but incomplete, since we have other laws currently about a related concept, "common carriers". The debate is much higher level than the Constitution: it's about how far to extend the idea that a private conveyance has become so essential to public use that it is subject to regulation. (Meaning, yes, that some of the private entity's rights are curtailed.)

throwaway_law 7y ago
>This is facile It is basic 7th grade civics, Section 4 of the Constitution: >The United States shall guarantee to every State in this Union a Republican Form of Government Founding Father John Adams: >"No determinations are carried, it is true, in a simple representative democracy, but by consent of the majority or their representatives." The word "democracy" appearing in the Constitution: 0 Extra fun fact, the US is not the first Constitutional Republic, it is the 2nd behind San Marino. > there is no contradiction If you used democratic republic there is not, where the people vote and elect the representative leaders, then there is no contradiction. But democracy comes from Ancient Greece where all citizens with a right to vote directly decided the issues with votes, issues were not decided by elected representative. Its a significantly different form of government not just a typical HN pedantic point. >the right of free association The right to associate has nothing to do with accessing corporate property to disseminate your speech.

imbored 7y ago

The US is a democracy. The US is also a republic.