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I doubt these are bots. One of them says: > I don't get compensated per tweet. I get paid $15/hr whether I am answering tweets or out on the floor stowing. I

I doubt these are bots. One of them says: > I don't get compensated per tweet. I get paid $15/hr whether I am answering tweets or out on the floor stowing. I do this 2 days a week and 2 days a week I stow. While I think it's weird that Amazon is doing this, I also doubt that the warehouse jobs are bad jobs. I've done manual labor for less than $15/hr and I'd much rather have a job like that than, say, a job in a restaurant. I also think it's ironic that the instigator here claims to care about "the working class": > really like? cause your workers are liars? you’re not going to convince the working class that everything is fine by telling us where to avert our eyes, we already know what it’s really like. why don’t you really treat your workers better, you can afford it She's talking to working class people and when they disagree with her, she accuses them of literally not being human. If people want to advocate for the working class, they need to step outside of the simplistic fiction that "evil corporations are ruining people's lives by employing them and not treating them well". The truth is much more complicated and jobs don't grow on trees.

scrozart 7y ago
> I also doubt that the warehouse jobs are bad jobs I agree that these folks are probably real people, but you must have missed the last several month's worth of very public information about the conditions in their warehouses. https://www.businessinsider.com/amazon-employees-describe-peak-2019-2 https://www.businessinsider.com/amazon-employees-describe-pe... https://www.vox.com/the-goods/2019/3/11/18260472/amazon-warehouse-workers-911-calls-suicide https://www.vox.com/the-goods/2019/3/11/18260472/amazon-ware... https://www.newsweek.com/amazon-drivers-warehouse-conditions-workers-complains-jeff-bezos-bernie-1118849 https://www.newsweek.com/amazon-drivers-warehouse-conditions... https://www.theguardian.com/technology/2019/jan/01/amazon-fulfillment-center-warehouse-employees-union-new-york-minnesota https://www.theguardian.com/technology/2019/jan/01/amazon-fu... https://www.theverge.com/2019/7/16/20696154/amazon-prime-day-2019-strike-warehouse-workers-inhumane-conditions-the-rate-productivity https://www.theverge.com/2019/7/16/20696154/amazon-prime-day... https://slate.com/technology/2019/07/amazon-prime-day-fulfillment-center-working-conditions.html https://slate.com/technology/2019/07/amazon-prime-day-fulfil...
- leftyted 7y ago
  I find it difficult to distinguish between people with legitimate complaints and people who are ideologically opposed to amazon (BigCo) existing at all.
  - deleted 7y ago
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  - velcrovan 7y ago
    Which of these people has said or demonstrated that they’re ideologically opposed to Amazon existing at all?
- Accacin 7y ago
  If the conditions are so bad, why are there more complaints? I'm very distrustful of the media in general and feel like they're pushing an agenda more than anything. I know people personally that work in distribution centres and they find it a perfectly fine job. It'd hard work, yes, but you see complaints like "boiling hot in summer and freezing in winter", and it's like.. yeah.. Which loading bay isn't like that?
  - rtkwe 7y ago
    For one there's no reason the whole warehouse has to be as hot as the actual loading docks and the answer to megacorp is treating it's workers poorly isn't really well this whole class of jobs sucks.
  - TheBranca18 7y ago
    The media absolutely pushes an agenda, they are paid to do so. Not many would question that. The difference is, reporting on these things is their job and Amazon is treating their employees like trash. You have to be purposefully ignorant to miss this stuff. It's everywhere! Last Week Tonight broke it down pretty well: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d9m7d07k22A https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d9m7d07k22A. The fact you think your anecdotal evidence means anything is puzzling though.
theDoug 7y ago
Poor 20-something grandfather Rafael also identifies as a nana and as a middle-aged woman. https://mobile.twitter.com/TheKenChilds/status/1161847717397696512 https://mobile.twitter.com/TheKenChilds/status/1161847717397...
- rgoulter 7y ago
  Elsewhere in this discussion says that these FC Ambassadors are using Sprinklr app. I'd guess that Rafael didn't log out of the app (or the nana forgot to do that).
  - skinnymuch 7y ago
    There’s at least two other accounts with multiple name, gender, race changes. It’s likely not because of logging out reasons.
- bwoj 7y ago
  That's compelling evidence that these aren't FC center workers but somebody running them all as a social media campaign.
PaulRobinson 7y ago
This suggests that there is something weird going on: https://twitter.com/TheKenChilds/status/1161847717397696512 https://twitter.com/TheKenChilds/status/1161847717397696512
decoyworker 7y ago
I'm going to keep asking the same question and resort to ad hominem attacks until I get the answer that I am looking for!
- laughinghan 7y ago
  "really like? cause your workers are liars?" is not an ad hominem attack, it's contradicting you by pointing to evidence. Eyewitness testimony, by your workers contradicting you, is evidence.
  - decoyworker 7y ago
    The title of this post is an ad hominem. It's an insult/joke that adds nothing to the discussion. Saying someone sounds like the Borg isn't an insult?
    - laughinghan 7y ago
      Thank you for explaining, that makes a lot more sense, I see how you could interpret it that way. But no, I think you're misinterpreting. For example, if I said "why are you being so slow?", that could seem like an insult, since "slow" can mean "stupid". However, if the context is that we're playing a game and you keep taking forever on your turn, then "slow" isn't an insult, it's a literal observation. In this case, compare the thread to a normal conversation. A normal conversation consists of a long chain of alternating messages by two people, comparing and contrasting their two different points of view. This "conversation" consists of a long chain of the original poster expressing their point of view and then a different "FC Ambassador" replying each time, all expressing the same contrasting point of view. Compare that conversation to the first 1 minute of this clip: https://youtu.be/ZsBz_Q62hHk?t=10 https://youtu.be/ZsBz_Q62hHk?t=10 It's just a literal observation, not an insult. (Technically that's Unity from Rick & Morty; I couldn't find a clip of the original Borg from Star Trek doing this.)
nemothekid 7y ago
I wouldn’t take the term “Bot” literally - here it’s meant in the same vein as a “Russian troll” or more clearly an astroturfer. I think many of the people who find fault with rulesobeyer don’t use Twitter. The ambassadors are comoletely robotic in the way they use Twitter - they don’t come across as people, they come across as corporate accounts. Even developer advocates aren’t this robotic. I feel like I’m looking at stepford wives here and everyone in the comments here are apart of the farce
- SpicyLemonZest 7y ago
  I insist on taking those terms literally, and you should too. Public discourse isn't going to work if "bot" and "Russian troll" become synonyms for "I don't believe what you're saying and don't think you do either".
  - stnmtn 7y ago
    What do you think about this? What should we call an account like this? https://mobile.twitter.com/TheKenChilds/status/1161847717397696512 https://mobile.twitter.com/TheKenChilds/status/1161847717397...

scrozart 7y ago

> I also doubt that the warehouse jobs are bad jobs I agree that these folks are probably real people, but you must have missed the last several month's worth of very public information about the conditions in their warehouses. https://www.businessinsider.com/amazon-employees-describe-peak-2019-2 https://www.businessinsider.com/amazon-employees-describe-pe... https://www.vox.com/the-goods/2019/3/11/18260472/amazon-warehouse-workers-911-calls-suicide https://www.vox.com/the-goods/2019/3/11/18260472/amazon-ware... https://www.newsweek.com/amazon-drivers-warehouse-conditions-workers-complains-jeff-bezos-bernie-1118849 https://www.newsweek.com/amazon-drivers-warehouse-conditions... https://www.theguardian.com/technology/2019/jan/01/amazon-fulfillment-center-warehouse-employees-union-new-york-minnesota https://www.theguardian.com/technology/2019/jan/01/amazon-fu... https://www.theverge.com/2019/7/16/20696154/amazon-prime-day-2019-strike-warehouse-workers-inhumane-conditions-the-rate-productivity https://www.theverge.com/2019/7/16/20696154/amazon-prime-day... https://slate.com/technology/2019/07/amazon-prime-day-fulfillment-center-working-conditions.html https://slate.com/technology/2019/07/amazon-prime-day-fulfil...

leftyted 7y ago
I find it difficult to distinguish between people with legitimate complaints and people who are ideologically opposed to amazon (BigCo) existing at all.
- deleted 7y ago
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- velcrovan 7y ago
  Which of these people has said or demonstrated that they’re ideologically opposed to Amazon existing at all?
Accacin 7y ago
If the conditions are so bad, why are there more complaints? I'm very distrustful of the media in general and feel like they're pushing an agenda more than anything. I know people personally that work in distribution centres and they find it a perfectly fine job. It'd hard work, yes, but you see complaints like "boiling hot in summer and freezing in winter", and it's like.. yeah.. Which loading bay isn't like that?
- rtkwe 7y ago
  For one there's no reason the whole warehouse has to be as hot as the actual loading docks and the answer to megacorp is treating it's workers poorly isn't really well this whole class of jobs sucks.
- TheBranca18 7y ago
  The media absolutely pushes an agenda, they are paid to do so. Not many would question that. The difference is, reporting on these things is their job and Amazon is treating their employees like trash. You have to be purposefully ignorant to miss this stuff. It's everywhere! Last Week Tonight broke it down pretty well: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d9m7d07k22A https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d9m7d07k22A. The fact you think your anecdotal evidence means anything is puzzling though.

theDoug 7y ago

Poor 20-something grandfather Rafael also identifies as a nana and as a middle-aged woman. https://mobile.twitter.com/TheKenChilds/status/1161847717397696512 https://mobile.twitter.com/TheKenChilds/status/1161847717397...

rgoulter 7y ago
Elsewhere in this discussion says that these FC Ambassadors are using Sprinklr app. I'd guess that Rafael didn't log out of the app (or the nana forgot to do that).
- skinnymuch 7y ago
  There’s at least two other accounts with multiple name, gender, race changes. It’s likely not because of logging out reasons.
bwoj 7y ago
That's compelling evidence that these aren't FC center workers but somebody running them all as a social media campaign.

PaulRobinson 7y ago

This suggests that there is something weird going on: https://twitter.com/TheKenChilds/status/1161847717397696512 https://twitter.com/TheKenChilds/status/1161847717397696512

decoyworker 7y ago

I'm going to keep asking the same question and resort to ad hominem attacks until I get the answer that I am looking for!

laughinghan 7y ago
"really like? cause your workers are liars?" is not an ad hominem attack, it's contradicting you by pointing to evidence. Eyewitness testimony, by your workers contradicting you, is evidence.
- decoyworker 7y ago
  The title of this post is an ad hominem. It's an insult/joke that adds nothing to the discussion. Saying someone sounds like the Borg isn't an insult?
  - laughinghan 7y ago
    Thank you for explaining, that makes a lot more sense, I see how you could interpret it that way. But no, I think you're misinterpreting. For example, if I said "why are you being so slow?", that could seem like an insult, since "slow" can mean "stupid". However, if the context is that we're playing a game and you keep taking forever on your turn, then "slow" isn't an insult, it's a literal observation. In this case, compare the thread to a normal conversation. A normal conversation consists of a long chain of alternating messages by two people, comparing and contrasting their two different points of view. This "conversation" consists of a long chain of the original poster expressing their point of view and then a different "FC Ambassador" replying each time, all expressing the same contrasting point of view. Compare that conversation to the first 1 minute of this clip: https://youtu.be/ZsBz_Q62hHk?t=10 https://youtu.be/ZsBz_Q62hHk?t=10 It's just a literal observation, not an insult. (Technically that's Unity from Rick & Morty; I couldn't find a clip of the original Borg from Star Trek doing this.)

nemothekid 7y ago

I wouldn’t take the term “Bot” literally - here it’s meant in the same vein as a “Russian troll” or more clearly an astroturfer. I think many of the people who find fault with rulesobeyer don’t use Twitter. The ambassadors are comoletely robotic in the way they use Twitter - they don’t come across as people, they come across as corporate accounts. Even developer advocates aren’t this robotic. I feel like I’m looking at stepford wives here and everyone in the comments here are apart of the farce

SpicyLemonZest 7y ago
I insist on taking those terms literally, and you should too. Public discourse isn't going to work if "bot" and "Russian troll" become synonyms for "I don't believe what you're saying and don't think you do either".
- stnmtn 7y ago
  What do you think about this? What should we call an account like this? https://mobile.twitter.com/TheKenChilds/status/1161847717397696512 https://mobile.twitter.com/TheKenChilds/status/1161847717397...