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... imagine this the other way. Imagine that "@rulesObeyer" is the one with the agenda. Imagine RO is paid by a competitor to spread misinformation and "stir th
by inanutshellus 7y ago
... imagine this the other way. Imagine that "@rulesObeyer" is the one with the agenda. Imagine RO is paid by a competitor to spread misinformation and "stir the pot", then re-read the thread. Suddenly RO seems incapable of reason or adapting in the face of clear evidence against its assertions. It makes for a fun read.
(Similarly, "anyone condemning this comment or defending @rulesObeyer must just be @rulesObeyer in disguise, no matter the evidence to the contrary.")
- pmlnr 7y agoDoesn't change the creepiness and pithiness factor of the Amazon FC Ambassador idea at all.
- inanutshellus 7y agoNice try, @rulesObeyer. You can't fool me. END OF LINE
- pjc50 7y agoDoes rather show how important it is to have good personal heuristics for "this is a real person's account speaking authentically", which is very difficult to verify for strangers.
- inanutshellus 7y agoPrecisely. We're even psychologically inclined to agree with RO because "it" is "fighting the good fight" and "fighting The Man", etc. Whether she's legitimately exactly who she says she is or "it" is just a next-level PR AI whose sole purpose is harming Amazon, we have little way of knowing, especially outside this specific example.
- pjc50 7y agoOn the other hand, this obfuscatory conversation and the allegation that random individual accounts are paid anti-corporate is one that adds to the weight for "inanutshellus may be an Amazon shill account, or at least employee"
- enkiv2 7y agoYeah, if this makes front page the odds are nearly 100% that paid amazon shills will fill the comments -- and odds are greater than 50% that it already has been.
- twic 7y agoI'm a paid anti-corporate shill, and so is my wife!
- inanutshellus 7y agoA clever redirect, @rulesObeyer!
- mentalpiracy 7y ago"legitimately exactly who she says she is" as if the timeline of her twitter account didn't lend to her identity. Especially in contrast to the Amazon FC accounts which are brand new and follow 0 other twitter users.
- hleach 7y agoI am kind of shocked at the conversation above simply because of how evidently right you are. Does she have an agenda? Yes clearly. She isn't hiding it. She has a long history of laying it right out in the open. Does Amazon have an agenda too? Yes and they are ham-handedly trying to pretend they don't.
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- Sean1708 7y agoWe're inclined to agree with RO because her account looks genuine, whereas the Amazon accounts look like this: https://mobile.twitter.com/TheKenChilds/status/1161847717397696512 https://mobile.twitter.com/TheKenChilds/status/1161847717397...
- dgb23 7y agoThere should be an xkcd comic about that thought (if there isn't already one).
- chewbacha 7y agoI, for one, welcome our lizard overlords.
- PhasmaFelis 7y agoThe "Amazon Ambassadors" look extremely sketchy even without anyone criticizing them, though. They don't use Twitter except to praise Amazon, they are universally 100% positive without a single complaint, they all echo a few specific talking points, and they openly admit to being paid to make these tweets. (One of them claims that spending two paid days a week tweeting instead of working the warehouse floor doesn't count as "being paid to tweet," but come on.) Even if @rulesObeyer is also a paid shill, all they're doing is drawing attention to the obvious.
- aerovistae 7y agoNot seeing it. RO is speaking like a real person with pretty reasonable arguments; the others feel like exactly what she accuses them of being: paid shills.
- TazeTSchnitzel 7y agoThey dodge like politicians.
- BeetleB 7y ago>are you a robot, did they make a bunch of ai to lie for them instead of helping real workers Talking to a real human this way is not reasonable. Nor is it an argument. >how much are you compensated per tweet like this This is like the question "Have you stopped beating your wife?" When the assumption of malintent/guilt is there from the start, you're setting yourself up for a very unreasonable conversation. >so they’re paying you to tweet that you like your job, which is tweeting about liking your job...lol yes!! you are paid to say that you like your job. it’s your job! This is very likely false, and she is actively ignoring people who are saying it is false. I have to agree with GP. While I found the ambassador tweets to be, well, weird, her tweets are the ones that stood out to me as very unreasonable. She does not seem at all interested in anything that contradicts her world view.
- ahelwer 7y agoIt isn't false that they're paid to tweet. One of the Amazon borg replies they tweet for two days (at $15/hour) then work in the warehouse for two days.
- all_factz 7y agoThis is exactly what I’d say if I was trying to make myself feel better about a messed-up status quo.
- mtgx 7y ago> Suddenly RO seems incapable of reason or adapting in the face of clear evidence against its assertions Yes, all of that "evidence" from paid "Amazon FC ambassadors".
- yoelo 7y agoNice try Jeff Bezos!
- marcosdumay 7y agoWhatever side you choose to accept as reasonable, is does still feel like she is talking to the borg. And yes, the Amazon people talk like politicians. There are actually many people that think politician-talking inspires confidence.
- sixstringtheory 7y agoA similar thought occurred to me, but it was more in the vein of “what if this person is sockpuppeting on Twitter?” Like a socratic dialogue. It could even be based on real interactions, just reconstructed. I don’t actually believe that’s what’s happening but it’d be tough to prove one way or the other, if you’re dealing with a sufficiently motivated actor. One of many good reasons not to take social media seriously.
- citruscomputing 7y agoImagine RO is a former Amazon employee who was severely injured on the job and fired, whose life was destroyed by this faceless company, and who resents the sentiment that it is anything but. It is also a fun read imagining them this way. Yes, if the situation was different, than my judgement of it would be different. This is not a novel observation. The context matters - you cannot decouple[0] this interaction from the economic and social structures it arose from. [0] https://everythingstudies.com/2018/05/25/decoupling-revisited/ https://everythingstudies.com/2018/05/25/decoupling-revisite...