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I can't find all the fine details on this loan, but there are definitely loans that stop you from prepayment, or at least have a penalty associated with them. T

I can't find all the fine details on this loan, but there are definitely loans that stop you from prepayment, or at least have a penalty associated with them. These penalties can be pretty large and definitely are a reason not to pay back the entire mortgage before 10 years. In this exceptional case I'm assuming there is a prepayment penalty for a large portion of that 10 year fixed rate period.

systemtest 7y ago
Those prepayment fines are basically what the bank is losing out on you. If you have a 3% mortgage and the current rate is 2%, then the bank would lose out 1% for the current mortgage period. That's the penalty.
- Dylan16807 7y ago
  It's pretty ridiculous if the penalty isn't specified by the contract... Whatever new rate you might get is not the business of your previous loan holder.
  - systemtest 7y ago
    They are specified in the contract. If you sign the mortgage contract you are giving the bank steady business for the next 10 years in return of a lower rate. By breaking that 10 year agreement the bank loses money which they will charge you for.
    - kgwgk 7y ago
      It all depends on the contract. You can get a not-so-low rate that gives you the option of prepayment (with some fixed penalty).
    - Dylan16807 7y ago
      If the early payment penalty is based on the current rate, then it's not what I mean when I say "specified by the contract".
- Phillipharryt 7y ago
  That is not how the penalties are worded at all. Penalties are usually in the form of a percentage of a number of months' interest. I understand the fine is because the bank makes money on loans by being able to rely on them being a fixed long term, and the cancellation affects that, but it's not just the bank passing on that percentage loss directly.
  - systemtest 7y ago
    Perhaps it's a country thing. Here in the Netherlands that is how the banks calculate the prepayment fine. You are allowed to pay off 10% to 20% of the original sum per year but over that amount you pay a "boeterente" (interest-fine). It's equal to the amount of money the bank loses by loaning your money to someone else over the remainder of the fixed period (10/20/30 years).
kgwgk 7y ago
The discussion is about 10-year fixed rates. After 10 years you can either refinance or pay (and it’s not an anticipated payment), or maybe it’s already stipulated that the rate after 10-years is floating (but then cancellation is also much easier than in the middle of a fixed-rate mortgage).
adamlett 7y ago
I should have been more clear in my comment. What I meant was: There is no requirement that the maturity of a mortgage should be 30 years exactly.

systemtest 7y ago

Those prepayment fines are basically what the bank is losing out on you. If you have a 3% mortgage and the current rate is 2%, then the bank would lose out 1% for the current mortgage period. That's the penalty.

Dylan16807 7y ago
It's pretty ridiculous if the penalty isn't specified by the contract... Whatever new rate you might get is not the business of your previous loan holder.
- systemtest 7y ago
  They are specified in the contract. If you sign the mortgage contract you are giving the bank steady business for the next 10 years in return of a lower rate. By breaking that 10 year agreement the bank loses money which they will charge you for.
  - kgwgk 7y ago
    It all depends on the contract. You can get a not-so-low rate that gives you the option of prepayment (with some fixed penalty).
  - Dylan16807 7y ago
    If the early payment penalty is based on the current rate, then it's not what I mean when I say "specified by the contract".
Phillipharryt 7y ago
That is not how the penalties are worded at all. Penalties are usually in the form of a percentage of a number of months' interest. I understand the fine is because the bank makes money on loans by being able to rely on them being a fixed long term, and the cancellation affects that, but it's not just the bank passing on that percentage loss directly.
- systemtest 7y ago
  Perhaps it's a country thing. Here in the Netherlands that is how the banks calculate the prepayment fine. You are allowed to pay off 10% to 20% of the original sum per year but over that amount you pay a "boeterente" (interest-fine). It's equal to the amount of money the bank loses by loaning your money to someone else over the remainder of the fixed period (10/20/30 years).

kgwgk 7y ago

The discussion is about 10-year fixed rates. After 10 years you can either refinance or pay (and it’s not an anticipated payment), or maybe it’s already stipulated that the rate after 10-years is floating (but then cancellation is also much easier than in the middle of a fixed-rate mortgage).

adamlett 7y ago

I should have been more clear in my comment. What I meant was: There is no requirement that the maturity of a mortgage should be 30 years exactly.