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My thoughts exactly! I've had outdoor nest cameras for a couple of years now and was expecting at some point it'd learn that the trees moving or bugs flying acr

by Urgo 7y ago

My thoughts exactly! I've had outdoor nest cameras for a couple of years now and was expecting at some point it'd learn that the trees moving or bugs flying across the camera were not interesting but nope...... we get this... It seems like I'm not the only one annoyed at nest lately though. I actually backed a indiegogo last week called Camect that hopefully will fix a lot of these issues and you don't even need to replace the nest cameras, though you can if you want to. I recommend checking it out!

buro9 7y ago
I've only recently purchased a Nest doorbell... but the comments here and some quick searching suggest I'd be far better off purchasing the remainder of my cameras from somewhere that is in the business of selling hardware like Ubiquiti, and then either using local storage (with sync to personal cloud) or something like this Camect thing. At the very least, it looks like the lack of exposed onvif / rtsp on Nest cameras is an issue that will mean I can't avoid the high subscription price and bandwidth use (and it's the bandwidth that bugs me, I'd rather store HQ to disk locally whilst transcode to a lower def for the cloud, and then have it be my cloud accounts).
- geertj 7y ago
  Have a look at Ring also. I’ve been a happy user of their doorbell, cameras and security system. The app is updated regularly and they come out with new products all the time. Disclaimer: I work for Amazon, in a job unrelated to Ring
  - morganvachon 7y ago
    This[1] is why I will never have a Ring doorbell camera. The slippery slope is becoming a vertical drop; Amazon (with the best of intentions, surely) is conditioning people to allow warrantless wiretaps and searches as if they are the new normal. [1] https://www.engadget.com/2019/08/06/ring-coaching-police-footage/ https://www.engadget.com/2019/08/06/ring-coaching-police-foo...
  - buro9 7y ago
    A product owned by Amazon would be the bottom of my list. I have concerns with how Amazon love to collect data, mine data, use it to find new profit areas. Applying this logic to Ring produces not-nice outcomes.
- obituary_latte 7y ago
  As a nest cam owner, I would recommend taking a look at Wyze cams. They’re around $30usd on amazon and use SD cards for storage and playback. They have alerting/zones, night vision and voice capabilities. The ux for playback isn’t as polished as nest, but no subscription fees or third-party storage plus affordability make it compelling IMO. I just cancelled the ~$11/mo, 10-day playback subscription for all but one of my nest cams.
fredley 7y ago
Nest thermostats are also very stupid. The 'smart' mode tries to build a schedule of activity based on how much you walk past the specific spot on the wall where your thermostat is, and predict when to heat the house based on that. It's garbage, we (and everyone else I know) just sets a schedule like a normal thermostat. Given Google has access to my and my partner's calendars, why not link them and use that instead, and cut the AI shit?
- michaeltoth 7y ago
  I'm always shocked by the lack of integration among Google's various products. The amount of time my Google Home replies to a simple question with "I'm not sure how to help with that" is mind-boggling. Some variation of "I don't have a great answer, but I've sent some Google search results to your phone to review!" seems like an infinitely better (and obvious) alternative for the global leader in search, but they've for some reason ignored this for years.
  - mcny 7y ago
    It kind of gives me some comfort that even Google can't get cross team collaboration right. Makes me feel less bad about the dysfunctions at the places I've worked at...
- remote_phone 7y ago
  The dumbest thing is they show us 10 days worth of temperatures when in fact year over year is what matters the most. It is a stupidly neutered product due to stupidity and could be so much more useful than it actually is. As I said before, Google can’t produce consumer products. They are turning into the Microsoft of the 21st century, with one good product (search) and a host of shitty products.
- joezydeco 7y ago
  Or the weather. Or the real time price of electricity. Or high-demand periods. Or the learned heat retention capability of a particular home. Or a ton of other things that have never been implemented.

by Urgo 7y ago

buro9 7y ago

I've only recently purchased a Nest doorbell... but the comments here and some quick searching suggest I'd be far better off purchasing the remainder of my cameras from somewhere that is in the business of selling hardware like Ubiquiti, and then either using local storage (with sync to personal cloud) or something like this Camect thing. At the very least, it looks like the lack of exposed onvif / rtsp on Nest cameras is an issue that will mean I can't avoid the high subscription price and bandwidth use (and it's the bandwidth that bugs me, I'd rather store HQ to disk locally whilst transcode to a lower def for the cloud, and then have it be my cloud accounts).

geertj 7y ago
Have a look at Ring also. I’ve been a happy user of their doorbell, cameras and security system. The app is updated regularly and they come out with new products all the time. Disclaimer: I work for Amazon, in a job unrelated to Ring
- morganvachon 7y ago
  This[1] is why I will never have a Ring doorbell camera. The slippery slope is becoming a vertical drop; Amazon (with the best of intentions, surely) is conditioning people to allow warrantless wiretaps and searches as if they are the new normal. [1] https://www.engadget.com/2019/08/06/ring-coaching-police-footage/ https://www.engadget.com/2019/08/06/ring-coaching-police-foo...
- buro9 7y ago
  A product owned by Amazon would be the bottom of my list. I have concerns with how Amazon love to collect data, mine data, use it to find new profit areas. Applying this logic to Ring produces not-nice outcomes.
obituary_latte 7y ago
As a nest cam owner, I would recommend taking a look at Wyze cams. They’re around $30usd on amazon and use SD cards for storage and playback. They have alerting/zones, night vision and voice capabilities. The ux for playback isn’t as polished as nest, but no subscription fees or third-party storage plus affordability make it compelling IMO. I just cancelled the ~$11/mo, 10-day playback subscription for all but one of my nest cams.

fredley 7y ago

Nest thermostats are also very stupid. The 'smart' mode tries to build a schedule of activity based on how much you walk past the specific spot on the wall where your thermostat is, and predict when to heat the house based on that. It's garbage, we (and everyone else I know) just sets a schedule like a normal thermostat. Given Google has access to my and my partner's calendars, why not link them and use that instead, and cut the AI shit?

michaeltoth 7y ago
I'm always shocked by the lack of integration among Google's various products. The amount of time my Google Home replies to a simple question with "I'm not sure how to help with that" is mind-boggling. Some variation of "I don't have a great answer, but I've sent some Google search results to your phone to review!" seems like an infinitely better (and obvious) alternative for the global leader in search, but they've for some reason ignored this for years.
- mcny 7y ago
  It kind of gives me some comfort that even Google can't get cross team collaboration right. Makes me feel less bad about the dysfunctions at the places I've worked at...
remote_phone 7y ago
The dumbest thing is they show us 10 days worth of temperatures when in fact year over year is what matters the most. It is a stupidly neutered product due to stupidity and could be so much more useful than it actually is. As I said before, Google can’t produce consumer products. They are turning into the Microsoft of the 21st century, with one good product (search) and a host of shitty products.
joezydeco 7y ago
Or the weather. Or the real time price of electricity. Or high-demand periods. Or the learned heat retention capability of a particular home. Or a ton of other things that have never been implemented.