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Bill Hader Channels Tom Cruise – DeepFake [video]
- pwinnski 7y agoThis video is helped by some superficial similarity between Hader and Cruise, and the transition to and from Seth Rogen's face is slightly less smooth. Still, this is incredibly well done.
- manjana 7y agoThe unsettling part is how fast the quality of deep fakes seems to have improved, to me that's unsettling.
- 11thEarlOfMar 7y agoDirectors can use any actor to portray any character, and then make the character appear any way they want. Decouples acting talent from appearance. Peter Jackson's Bolg and Azog could have been much more convincing, just 7 years on.
- paxys 7y agoIt isn't too hard to image a future where actors no longer sell their skills but rather just their name and likeness. And – similar to photoshop or autotune — expressions, dialog, posture and everything else can be edited as needed.
- l33tbro 7y agoHow does one become a name actor then? Assuming you mean they build up a name and then license their image ... I'm not sure you've met an actor before. This goes against every impulse of a great actor. They're completely obsessed with controlling their image and practicing their craft. I think you may have meant celebrities.
- krapp 7y ago>They're completely obsessed with controlling their image and practicing their craft. I'm sure textile workers said the same thing before their skill and craft was replaced by a machine. Every artist and artisan thinks they're irreplaceable. Currently, many programmers think theirs is the only industry that can't be automated because there's some magical golden juice in their minds that produces some creative and intellectual quality no machine will ever be able to replicate. Like textile workers of old, their time will come too. As much as actors may want their work to be art, their work is also product. When it becomes possible to manufacture an acceptable equivalent product through automation, then artists of all stripes will simply have to adapt to the new terms of the market like everyone else, or find other work. No one is going to care about the effort an actor puts into their performance when it becomes feasible to pay a few dollars to stream Marlon Brando into the original Star Wars.
- l33tbro 7y agoElite actors of the world are extremely rare, talented individuals. They compete in one of the most cut-throat fields I can think of. How is that analogous to a textile worker? As long as there are humans, then actors, musicians, dancers, etc will be fine. People are fascinated with artists because they demonstrate a spectacle of skill and a genius which we don't have.
- krapp 7y ago>Elite actors of the world are extremely rare, talented individuals. They compete in one of the most cut-throat fields I can think of. How is that analogous to a textile worker? The textile workers replaced by automation were also once extremely rare, talented individuals. Rugs were once prized works of art, infused with culture and artisanal techniques passed down through generations. Now you can buy them at Wal-Mart. Unfortunately, the post-industrial market doesn't optimize for skill, it optimizes against it. >People are fascinated with artists because they demonstrate a spectacle of skill and a genius which we don't have. Most people aren't fascinated with skill and genius, they're fascinated with celebrity. Art isn't made to be appreciated nowadays, it's mass produced to be consumed like fast food, with little regard beyond the immediate satisfaction it provides, and the familiar comfort of mediocrity. Sure, there will always be a place for human artists, dancers, musicians, etc, just as there is still a place for people who can weave rugs. But I do believe that most mainstream art will be automated as soon as the result is acceptable to the mainstream, and that includes automating the persona of the artist as well.
- buboard 7y agothere are thousands of dead actors to resurrect. but more importantly nobody can be as perfect as an artificially drawn or generated face
- dylan604 7y agoDirectors will be bored with all of the one take wonders. Maybe they'll have just go ahead an eliminate the director position as well.
- chrischen 7y agoOr maybe imagine a future were actors only sell their skills, since it's decoupled from their face, race, gender, and other appearance related factors.
- echelon 7y agoThis is the better future. It opens the door to actors without favoring those that have "the look". Physical features will be cosmetic and plastic, and they will be engineered to match the desired setting.
- hnmullany 7y agoYou mean like Robin Wright in The Congress https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pPAl5GwvdY8 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pPAl5GwvdY8
- satori99 7y agoInterestingly in that movie, it was Robin Wright and Tom Cruise who were the very last actors to hold out on selling their likeness for entirely generated films. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Cy2WLpGxGVI https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Cy2WLpGxGVI
- _bxg1 7y agoI would guess the opposite: the surface appearance is the easy part; articulating human mannerisms in a way that's not just convincing, but compelling, will remain one of the very hardest things for computers to replicate. Acting, as a craft, only ever had coincidental ties to physical appearance. What it really is is the talent of being human. I think what we'll see is a lot of pretty faces who aren't actually that good at acting exiting the business, while upcoming talent won't have its career limited by birth attributes. It should be very interesting.
- buboard 7y agoYoutube kids will use that to turn YT to hollywood
- whamlastxmas 7y agoThis is the first deep fake I've seen that was good enough to fool a random Facebook user that wasn't looking for fakeness. Cool how far it's come.
- pfalafel 7y agoYour friend was fooled to think that Hader did that on his own?
- oliyoung 7y agoI'm technologically experienced enough to be posting and reading on HN. It fooled me on the first view, I just didn't even see it, it was seamless.
- manjana 7y agoMe as well, I thought to my self 'that dude has some resemblance to Tom Cruise' for a second and the next moment the similarity had dissapeared and I fully dismissed my initial reaction since he afterwards had no real resemblance.. Dismissed it and thought my mind had played a trick on me because of sleepiness or something. Only after glancing the video comments (after first full view) did I understand what was going on.
- maroonblazer 7y agoSame. I came across this clip a few days ago without the context. It's a little embarrassing frankly. I kept thinking that he's such a good impersonator that he's able to manipulate his facial muscles in just such a way as to embody Tom Cruise. My defenses are now up a bit higher.
- whamlastxmas 7y agoHypothetically, I meant, if someone were to style their hair as Cruise and did an entire video impersonating his speech - it would be convincing it was him
- SketchySeaBeast 7y agoSome of the tracking is still janky, but I'm surprised by the transitions - I can see when they shift, but I don't see any weird morph.
- Waterluvian 7y agoI think our brains are helping the transition along, given that before and after are both believably configured faces.
- SketchySeaBeast 7y agoTotally, but that's exact same for our brain fooling us about the motion itself. And in motions case our brain throws in interpolated middle frames, not so in the face morph.
- echelon 7y agoDoes anyone know what models / software this person is using? I assume it's something off the shelf, because there are an abundance of other videos in this space produced by different people: https://www.cnet.com/news/parks-and-recreation-ron-swanson-deepfaked-as-every-full-house-sitcom-character/ https://www.cnet.com/news/parks-and-recreation-ron-swanson-d... I've been doing ML for audio (Tacotron, WaveRNN, etc.), but haven't stepped into the video world. I also work in film and want to apply this technique to my work. How do they keep the frames from blurring or not needing to be rekeyed? The motion tracking is spot-on. Would someone operating in this space be open to meeting over Hangouts or Skype to discuss the tech? I'd be happy to pay someone for a short survey of the space.
- aegirth 7y agoThere's something on this user in this Guardian article : https://www.theguardian.com/news/shortcuts/2019/aug/13/danger-deepfakes-viral-video-bill-hader-tom-cruise https://www.theguardian.com/news/shortcuts/2019/aug/13/dange...
- kibibu 7y agoPretty sure most of these crew are using DeepFaceLab, https://github.com/iperov/DeepFaceLab https://github.com/iperov/DeepFaceLab This was in the news for being the first(?) public GitHub repo that you needed an account to access. I believe to try and stem the tide of deepfake revenge porn or celebrity porn.
- pragmatick 7y agoThe shots in the gallery aren't nearly as impressive, though...
- benburleson 7y agoIs the (poor) video quality intentional? I'm curious if that is used to disguise the effects, or just due to the original video.
- jakeogh 7y agoFake images are often downsampled. I assume the same reasons apply here.
- kickopotomus 7y agoI believe it is due to the quality of the original video: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zS1Aee2X3Yc https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zS1Aee2X3Yc
- aegirth 7y agoSame user also did the Jim Carrey in Shining deepfake which is as well done as this and at times really unsettling. From now on I can safely say that I can't trust any video footage I see. This is that well done. The algos will only get better and do a convincing blend in 4K in the future.
- hunta2097 7y agoThose The Shining clips are simply the best. Here is another that always make me chuckle: https://youtu.be/aUphMqs1vFw https://youtu.be/aUphMqs1vFw [Full House of Mustaches]
- batbomb 7y agoI've been thinking a lot about this one, and it gets a ton of help in the fact that Bill Hader is actually good at facial impressions, and that's what really sells it.
- hesk 7y agoYeah, he really nails Tom Cruise's mannerisms when he shakes his head at 1:27.
- jasode 7y agoOnce that deep fake technology algorithm gets in the hands of the masses (Adobe Premiere After Effects plugin, Instagram/Snapchat filter, Apple Facetime filter, etc) ... so many obvious directions it will take: - dating / flirting apps - job candidates being interviewed remotely via webcams will use software to make them look younger - "facelift" every television personality (news anchors, etc) and every movie actor. Both for creative purposes (younger/older timeline aging), for vanity, and for extending careers. - generate fake but convincing political ads to put words in the mouth of opponent that he/she never said - a growing distrust and skepticism of all videos including archive footage because we never had SHA256 authenticated hash of the old videos widely disseminated before deepfakes became ultrarealistic. E.g. There will be a subset of tomorrows kids that will not be convinced JFK ever actually said, "landing a man on the moon". The WTC towers were never hit by airplanes. All that old footage will be dismissed as fake. Video evidence becomes useless. Yes, society will try to counteract it with software the detects deep fakes but some of the public still won't be convinced. (Same as evidence against anti-vaccine being rejected.)
- pcmaffey 7y agoCounterpoints: 1. We don't have videos of The Gettysburg address. History existed before video. 2. There will never be another generation (in the near future) like boomers who didn't grow up tech savvy 3. Videos, like any form of documentation, are anecdotal evidence easily manipulated by what's "not in the frame" 4. The general problem you are describing comes from a faulty attribution of truth to video in our current day and age. The sooner we dismiss that the better Yes, the transition will be awkward, but no need for hysteria.
- assface 7y ago> 2. There will never be another generation (in the near future) like boomers who didn't grow up tech savvy You're living in a bubble.
- jonahx 7y agoI don't know if there's need for hysteria, but I think this is a much bigger change than you're making it out to be. It's a different league than artful editing and framing.
- buboard 7y agoI thought these effects were going to be real fun, but it's kind of spooky and scary now. Perhaps good for horror movies.
- Semiapies 7y agoI liked this Tom Cruise Deepfake by Node from a month back: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3vHvOyZ0GbY https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3vHvOyZ0GbY (With making-of.)
- kcolford 7y agoI don't see any change throughout the video. I don't see tom cruise even once. Where is he?
- echelon 7y agoTom Cruise was the source video. His face has been replaced by Bill Hader.
- kcolford 7y agoAh, I've never seen the source video so that's why I didn't pick up on it.
- herenorthere 7y agoI can't tell if you both are joking or not but watch the whole video. The source video is of Bill Hader. Bill hader's face changes to Tom Cruise everytime he talks from Tom's perspective. And then once to Seth Rogan for that impersonation.
- xefer 7y agoYou’re correct. If you listen to what he’s actually saying it’s told from the perspective of Hader and it only shifts when he’s doing an impression of Cruise or Rogan.
- echelon 7y agoAh, I didn't listen to it with audio. My mistake! As an aside, I feel really weird having completely convinced myself that the original video was deepfaked. It's kind of unnerving given the subject matter.
- kcolford 7y agoI honestly can't see much change in the face throughout the video. It probably doesn't help that I am so horrible at celebrities that I couldn't picture Tom Cruise or Bill Hader in my head if I tried, nor do I know what they're famous for. I just know that Tom Cruise sounds familiar and everyone seems to act like Bill Hader is significant so I go along with it. I guess there's a some change in the face when he switches "voices". It's not nearly as exciting as the one of Obama saying stuff he's never said before though.
- Deimorz 7y agoSame creator as "Bill Hader impersonates Arnold Schwarzenegger", which I think is easier to see the shift in since there's less resemblance and higher quality: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bPhUhypV27w https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bPhUhypV27w
- tombert 7y agoThese are super cool, but it makes me wonder how much longer before we get to an era where video evidence is no-longer admissible in court. Yeah, you can see occasional artifacts and glitches with current deepfakes, but surely the software will only get better.
- 29athrowaway 7y agoClipping a video, reordering scenes, or reversing it, or just showing it in the wrong context can be enough to manipulate the viewer. We should add integrity checks and digital signatures to videos.
- tombert 7y agoThat's an interesting idea; how would you go about suggesting we do that? Have some kind of hardware-signing thing that we put into video cameras, and sign every keyframe with it before its written to the SD card?
- 29athrowaway 7y agoReusing concepts from existing DRM technology.
- rland 7y agoEh, photoshop and PDF editors exist and we can still use documents and photos as evidence. But, there will definitely be a new cohort of expert witnesses with software tools (functional or just appearing so) to testify about the veracity or video.
- dylan604 7y agoOnly on LSD have I seen faces change that seamlessly. There were a couple of spots that I noticed the transition, but that was like the 3rd viewing. I hope I never piss off someone with these abilities to make me say/do things I'd never imagine. The damage that can be done is mind boggling when used for that purpose.
- anonu 7y agoThe Arnold Schwarzenegger video from the same guys is arguably better: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bPhUhypV27w https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bPhUhypV27w
- dylan604 7y agoWhy have they not made the actual video they discuss with a baby's body in a diaper with Arnie's head on it. That would be classic.
- throw7 7y agoPhotos do not lie, it is said. But frequently they tell partial truths. They tear moments out of time's flowing river and separate them from what has come before and what will follow. They can misrepresent as well as represent. - JIM HOAGLAND
- EForEndeavour 7y agoAnd that's before we even begin to discuss intentional manipulation.
- b_tterc_p 7y agoI feel like it was just last year when some deep fakes were coming out and people waved them off as having obvious artifacts and too easy to ignore