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Show HN: Yack – Community Browser for Hacker News, Reddit, YouTube and More

246 points by 7961636B6572 7y ago

katttrrr 7y ago
Looks incredible!
- benjaminbrodie 7y ago
  Wow! Damn!
- 7961636B6572 7y ago
  thanks :)
- johnmichaels 7y ago
  Agree, Kat, the interface reminds me a bit of slack and having it as a desktop app makes it quite easy to browse when you have a couple of minutes of free time.
maximp 7y ago
Sweet idea! Looking forward to trying this out.
- 7961636B6572 7y ago
  Thanks. Don't forget to report back here :)
johndubchak 7y ago
I love the idea...when is the Linux beta?
- 7961636B6572 7y ago
  Focusing on macOS version and building more plugins at the moment, thinking about Stackoverflow and StackExchange next, but also open to suggestions. Let me know what you think :) Linux and Windows support will be added with the final release.
  - O_H_E 7y ago
    Will be waiting for Linux :D PS: you mention Windows in the landing page, but not Linux.
    - 7961636B6572 7y ago
      will update the landing page now.
7961636B6572 7y ago
Yack! is a native desktop app built for online communities such as Hacker News, Reddit, YouTube, Indie Hackers and many more. It has an open source plugin architecture which allows anyone to build a plugin for their favorite communities. If you're interested in helping out, shoot me an email at hello[at]yack.io Looking forward to your feedback :)
- dewey 7y ago
  > is a native desktop What does native mean in this context? Looks like Electron from the screenshots.
  - deca6cda37d0 7y ago
    Its a native cross platform app. Not a native Mac app or Windows app.
    - dewey 7y ago
      It would be better to say it's a cross-platform app then I think. For me native app means it's a native Mac or Windows app.
      - CathedralBorrow 7y ago
        I'd guess it's written for the normal person rather than someone who understands that cross-platform means.
- levidxyz 7y ago
  As far as I can tell, Indie Hackers doesn't have public apis. Just curious, how are you are gathering posts, etc from IH? Nice work!
  - dewey 7y ago
    Use the website API?
jccalhoun 7y ago
This looks nice but "Many Communities, one UI" just doesn't work for me. The way I use hacker news is different than the way I use youtube. And it is different than how I use reddit.
- ScottFree 7y ago
  How do you use HN and Reddit that makes them so dissimilar? From a UI standpoint, not a 'quality of the discussions' standpoint.
  - the_watcher 7y ago
    There are many posts on Reddit where I don't particularly care about the comments, and others where I'm just looking for a specific answer. In contrast, I'm actually far more likely to open an HN link in the first place if it has some comments.
  - jccalhoun 7y ago
    Like the_watcher said, a lot of times in reddit I will just look at a pic of a meme or something that isn't pure text. Sometimes it is a discussion post or something where I do read comments but it isn't a discussion of something on another site. On HN, I almost always click to read the article and if it is interesting I will read the discussion on HN. I rarely look at something that isn't primarily text on HN.
kikki 7y ago
> One App to replace them all. You mean like a browser? > Intuitive UI I understand I'm probably not the target market for this - but I'm very uninspired by the Slack-copy design trend happening everywhere.
- toxican 7y ago
  > You mean like a browser? I can see this being a nice alternative to a few browser options for checking the latest across multiple sites. Pinned tabs, "Open All" bookmark folder, loose tabs, etc. Not ideal, imo, so having them all in one place and unified under a single UI might be kind of nice. Can't really speak to the UI though since this is unfortunately macOS only :(
  - ProAm 7y ago
    > I can see this being a nice alternative to a few browser options for checking the latest across multiple site It's just another walled garden approach
    - kkarakk 7y ago
      Which is good coz most of these communities are time sucks so consciously having to open an app instead of just opening a new tab is great. Currently i use another browser for this(firefox is for browsing hackernews, chrome is for work since devtools are better)
      - ShinTakuya 7y ago
        Besides when working with web workers I've actually had an overall better experience with FF dev tools in the recent couple of years. I recommend trying them out again if you haven't already.
      - erklik 7y ago
        > Currently i use another browser for this(firefox is for browsing hackernews, chrome is for work since devtools are better) Have you tried Firefox Developer Mode? I find it to be lots better, especially if you are using grid or flexbox.
philfrasty 7y ago
Looks cool! Reminds me of (YCs) Station with a focus on online communities. Hint: Says "0 beta users signed up since August 1st 2019" in the bottom left corner. Maybe refresh the cache?
- 7961636B6572 7y ago
  thanks for the feedback. Yep, currently looking into the issue. There're over 1.5k beta testers so far. Didn't know Station was from YC. Yack is a native app with a custom UI/UX built specifically for browsing online communities. As far as I remember, Station was another wrapper that points to actual websites, no?
zbushqa 7y ago
Sweet! Pretty good idea.
- foobar_ 7y ago
  You created an account to post this comment, how incredibly noble of you.
  - recov 7y ago
    Most people create an account to post a comment
trevett 7y ago
Really like the concept--I think you're on to something in creating a unified UI for all these similar services. But..getting into the beta was a giant PITA. 1. Enter email 2. Check email 3. Download client 4. Go back to email, copy code 5. Paste code 6. Go back to email, click sign in link 7. Browser asks if it's ok to open Yack 8. Create profile in Yack (at this point I bounced) Honestly, just let me download the beta directly, open it and have it Just Work. This is a new product and people will be skeptical. Friction is therefore your enemy. Would it be possible to skip profile creation as well?
- 7961636B6572 7y ago
  Hey, thanks for the feedback. Will consider making the Yack profile optional. For the beta version it was necessary because the app has a "Feedback" community, which is built on top of Discourse - This is where users provide feedback and report bugs. Thought about creating a subreddit on Reddit for feedback/bug reports but for users who are on HN or YT, it was necessary to have Yack's own community. Creating Yack profile automatically creates an account on Yack's Discourse instance but it never associates plugin accounts (hacker news, reddit, etc) with your Yack profile.
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  - AlphaWeaver 7y ago
    Would second that this should be optional ASAP. I understand your need and desire to collect feedback but I don't think it's a great idea to require users to create a profile for something that is a client. There are other ways to collect feedback than a Discourse instance. Why not just stand up a contact form, Twitter account, or email address?
    - 7961636B6572 7y ago
      Definitely. Received similar feedback from other users as well and will consider making this optional.
and0 7y ago
I can see some issues with trying to unify disparate communities / features for power users, but I would love a streamlined HN / Reddit comment browser with better nesting that sits on my Mac desktop. Signed up for the beta. EDIT: Oof, not so interesting in making a profile for it, though.
- 7961636B6572 7y ago
  Will consider making the Yack profile optional. For the beta version it was necessary because the app has a "Feedback" community, which is built on top of Discourse - This is where users provide feedback and report bugs. Creating Yack profile automatically creates an account on Yack's Discourse instance but it never associates plugin accounts (hacker news, reddit, etc) with your Yack profile.
rvz 7y ago
> Do more with less clutter, fewer clicks, less scroll, fewer tabs, fewer pages, fewer buttons, fewer ads, less mess... Looks very promising if it is really a native desktop app, but then if it is electron, then that is the equivalent to having a fixed set of Chrome tabs open with an ad-blocker on. I hope when you say 'native' that this app actually is native, otherwise it will be yet another bloated app to add to my collection of electron apps on my MacBook.
- 7961636B6572 7y ago
  It's a mix of Electron & native code (Swift). I have done so many optimizations to make it lightweight, smooth and fast. If you have an older Mac, try it on it and see how fast it is. I use Apple Mail app for my emails and for my benchmarks so far, Yack works faster and smoother than Apple Mail. Give it a try and don't forget to report back here :)
  - deca6cda37d0 7y ago
    It's really not. Even on my MacBook Air 2019 loading of the different communities is slow. Feedback for example at least takes 3,4,5 seconds. While Apple Mail is measurable in milliseconds. Also when logging into hacker news it's loading an internal web view instead of a popup, a popup safari web view would be better because of password autofill.
  - ngold 7y ago
    Sweet, great work. Does it work on an ipad3?
    - zapzupnz 7y ago
      Does anything still work on an iPad 3? I would have thought a lot of newer apps target iOS 10 or higher by now.
guessmyname 7y ago
> If your work isn't ready for people to try out yet, please don't do a Show HN. Once it's ready, come back and do it then. > Blog posts, sign-up pages, and fundraisers can't be tried out, so they can't be Show HNs. Read the “Show HN” rules please: https://news.ycombinator.com/showhn.html https://news.ycombinator.com/showhn.html
- 7961636B6572 7y ago
  Hey, thanks for the heads up. The app is ready and can be downloaded and unlocked via the landing page. It's beta at the moment but is very stable based on the feedback we've received from over 1.5k beta testers.
- Kiro 7y ago
  You misunderstand. The rule refers to a sign-up page for something that does not yet exist.
1023bytes 7y ago
That makes my procrastination so efficient you can't even call it procrastinating
- 7961636B6572 7y ago
  :)
kart23 7y ago
Yack means throw up in many circles. Just be aware of the name. https://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=yack https://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=yack
- pfraze 7y ago
  It also means "talk"
  - jersully72 7y ago
    FWIW, "talk" is what came to my mind. But it's social media though, so the other yakking will be involved...
  - seandougall 7y ago
    I've only ever seen that spelled as "yak", so it took me a while to make that connection.
    - joegahona 7y ago
      I thought "yak" was the bison animal. And that's what I thought of when I saw the name of this app -- not vomiting.
  - parliament32 7y ago
    That's "yak" https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/yak https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/yak
- verdverm 7y ago
  Made me think of YikYak (r.i.p.)
- foxrob92 7y ago
  My immediate thought too. It's definitely got that meaning in Australia.
stcredzero 7y ago
Actually, I was just thinking of something like this. In particular, I'd like to be able to keep tabs on a group of YouTube creators, without being dependent on the whims and machinations of what the YouTube team wants to promote. There are also certain creators who post to both YouTube and BitChute, but prefer BitChute, and I'd like to have a browser that will show me the BitChute version preferentially, without my having to think about it.
- 7961636B6572 7y ago
  what's BitChute? Never heard of it.
  - stcredzero 7y ago
    Basically, a somewhat decentralized YouTube implemented on top of BitTorrent.
    - codetrotter 7y ago
      In a similar fashion, there is also PeerTube. A decentralized video hosting network, based on free/libre software. https://joinpeertube.org/en/ https://joinpeertube.org/en/ I have no involvement with them, but I like the PeerTube project. Might contribute to it in the future.
  - anigbrowl 7y ago
    Theoretically, a distributed video-hosting platform. In our less perfect reality, the landfill for stuff thrown off YouTube.
smaili 7y ago
Wasn't there an anonymous app called Yack as well?
- dev1n 7y ago
  I think you're thinking of yik yak [1]. [1]: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yik_Yak https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yik_Yak
zestyping 7y ago
It looks pretty, but I'm having trouble understanding the use case. A core part of browsing Hacker News or Reddit is opening the links and reading the articles, which are web pages. Once I'm opening web pages, then I want to be able to bookmark them, arrange them in tabs, find them in my history, have them saved in sessions by my session manager extension, configure how they are handled by my ad blocker, search for related information, and so on. In other words, I want a web browser. The same issue applies the other way around, too. When I follow a link _to_ Hacker News, I want it to show up consistently. I don't want to end up with some Hacker News pages in browser tabs and some in a separate app, and then have trouble remembering where to find that page I was looking at yesterday. I get that it can be nice to have a slimmed-down UI for specific purposes. But I'm puzzled by this particular use case because there is no neatly contained navigation sandbox — as soon as you follow a couple of links, you're just browsing the Web. So why won't there be an inexorable push to expand Yack's feature set until it is a browser? Why won't users eventually switch back to using their regular browsers?
- 7961636B6572 7y ago
  Yack has a built in browser with reader mode. You can also configure it to open all links in your default browser. It will also allow you to bookmark (and schedule for later) links, posts, comments. In the future, it will allow users to curate their own feed and share it with others. For example; you can create a feed that has posts from specific channels on YouTube, subbreddits on Reddit and people on Twitter.
  - marak830 7y ago
    Oh yay another browser bundled with software. Why not just handle links out to our own browsers?
  - cameronbrown 7y ago
    To be honest, this would've been much better as a web app/chrome extension.
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tekacs 7y ago
This is really promising and I'm fully set up and using it. One question I have for the author is about keyboard access - there seem to be no keyboard shortcuts at all right now, or even basic navigation (up/down, etc.) Is there any timeline on those sorts of things being available (or possible to add with a plugin)? Once those are in place it'll be far more practical for me to use Yack day-to-day...
- 7961636B6572 7y ago
  thanks for the feedback. Yes, keyboard shortcuts will be in the next release. It's the highest priority item on the list right now.
tyagis 7y ago
Do you really need "Beta Signup" at 8 different places on a single webpage? Sounds being a little desperate to me. Not nit picking here, but may put off some of us with mild OCD. :) Otherwise, great concept! When are sign-ups for Mac opening?
- 7961636B6572 7y ago
  Hey, thanks for the feedback. Sign-ups are open for macOS. As soon as you sign up, you'll receive an email with the invitation code and download link.
citilife 7y ago
I'm sorry, but Why do I need this? This honestly seems harder to have meaningful interactions on the web and likely more difficult to find things.
droptablemain 7y ago
Mac only? Isn't this built with Electron? Why not have a Linux version? Or is this just for the cool kids in the exclusive Apple community?
- 7961636B6572 7y ago
  It's a mix of Electron and native code (Swift). Focusing on perfecting the macOS version for the time being. Will release both for Linux and Windows very soon.
  - Zaskoda 7y ago
    I will be eagerly awaiting the Linux version. =)
- CathedralBorrow 7y ago
  Did you really need to add that final line?
  - droptablemain 7y ago
    Yes. I can't help myself.
fastflo 7y ago
this "desktop app" somehow doesn't want to run on my linux desktop?
- 7961636B6572 7y ago
  Focusing on the macOS version for the time being, but will release for Linux & Windows very soon.
julienkervizic 7y ago
great idea, definitely seems like something I would use.
- johnmichaels 7y ago
  Completely agree julien kervizic, it does seems like something that any devout hackernews reader could use.
  - fossuser 7y ago
    Something is weird with all these new accounts with few comments on this thread supporting this. Are you using a bunch of secondary accounts just to comment on your post?
    - elwell 7y ago
      I have my tinfoil hat on as well.
ghobs91 7y ago
If anything, the biggest inadvertent feature is that its resemblance to Slack means you can browse those things at work and look like you're being productive.
- 7961636B6572 7y ago
  it's best when you're working on it :)
cshg 7y ago
Why does it look so much like Slack? :D
- 7961636B6572 7y ago
  you can use it at work all day and look productive :P
rsashwin 7y ago
What is your business model?
- 7961636B6572 7y ago
  Hey, thanks for the question. Haven't really thought about monetization yet. Want to focus on building the best desktop experience for online communities. Would love to be able to focus on it full time at some point (would be a dream). Maybe will introduce some paid features in the future, but everything in this version will always stay free.
  - rsashwin 7y ago
    Ok. I will consider adopting this in my life.
TomatoTomato 7y ago
Is there any support for extensions like Reddit Enhancement Suite?
- 7961636B6572 7y ago
  No, Yack is not a full blown browser. It's a community app, but will support almost all features RES does out of the box. It already supports multiple accounts across all networks. Few things on the roadmap: Keyboard Shortcuts Dark Theme Notifications Chat Curated Feeds (Curating posts across multiple networks into a single feed) Plugins for Stackoverflow & StackExchange.
cl0ne 7y ago
This reminds me of a browser I tried out years ago called Raven. It had a similar interface with icons for different sites along the side. It doesn't look like the website is still online though. https://web.archive.org/web/20111124103600/http://raven.io/ https://web.archive.org/web/20111124103600/http://raven.io/
nestorherre 7y ago
Looks good. Please make another Show HN once you release for Windows, will use for sure.
- 7961636B6572 7y ago
  will do, thanks :)
vinceguidry 7y ago
Wishful thinking, I'm sure, but I'd love to see Quora support. But that's probably totally unfeasible.
- 7961636B6572 7y ago
  It's feasible and already thinking about Quora plugin. Yack has an open source plugin architecture. Each community in the app, Hacker News, YouTube, Reddit are a plugin. Once out of beta, users will be able to install custom plugins directly from a GitHub url.
  - vinceguidry 7y ago
    Godspeed. As far as I've been able to tell Quora is actively hostile to anyone trying to improve the experience of using their site. Drives me bonkers.
ghostbrainalpha 7y ago
I like it. All of my procrastination sites in one app so my browser history doesn't get cluttered by non work stuff. One of my biggest fears is when I start to type in a URL during a screen share with a client who's website is REGEX.COM, and they will see my auto fill trying to take us to Reddit.com/SEXY_TOE_PARTY
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qwerty456127 7y ago
Looks cool. But it should have a Python API letting you wrte your own source drivers so you could add other blogs. PS: If only everybody were implementing ATOM and doing it properly - we wouldn't have to implement any site-specific clients then.
- 7961636B6572 7y ago
  It has plugin architecture that allows anyone to build plugins for Yack. Once out of beta, users will be able to install custom plugins directly from GitHub. Plugins must be written in TypeScript though.
  - qwerty456127 7y ago
    Great. TypeScript doesn't feel as great for this kind of task (I mean content processing) as Python does but still feels a sufficiently reasonable alternative. Will you also release Linux and Windows versions or is it meant to be Mac-only?
    - 7961636B6572 7y ago
      There'll definitely be Windows and Linux versions, but focusing on the macOS version for the time being.
    - 7961636B6572 7y ago
      Why do you think Python is better than TypeScript?
      - qwerty456127 7y ago
        Does TypeScript have BeautifulSoup? TypeScript seems very appealing to me (a C# programmer) but it also seems like Python lets you write more concise text/XML/HTML processing code and already has particularly helpful libraries for this. Also, virtually everybody writes at least some Python which makes it a perfect language for user-developed extensions. I don't mean TypeScript is much worse. Python just is the first thing to come to my mind as "right tool for the job" when it's about textual content processing. I'm not saying "please implement Python support instead", I'm just explaining why I've mentioned Python first. TypeScript is great too.
codesushi42 7y ago
Remember RSS readers? Pepperidge Farms remembers.
- drexlspivey 7y ago
  I use feedly with over 100 feeds and an ifttt hook that saves the article to instapaper when I click 'read later' and it works great.
  - skinnymuch 7y ago
    Can you see comments with RSS feeds? Also do you pay for Feedly?
    - codesushi42 7y ago
      Comments are supported in the RSS spec. And Feedly is free.
      - skinnymuch 7y ago
        Feedly isn’t free. Site says basic/free is limited to “100 sources and 3 feeds”. It’s freemium. OP says they have over 100 feeds (which would be sources in this case, no clue what feeds are). Sorry, I meant if comments are actually available in a majority or even a strong minority of RSS feeds. Last time I tried them, rarely were comments included. And def not for HN, etc.
hiei 7y ago
I'd be interested if this were browser based.
oehtXRwMkIs 7y ago
I'm guessing this is proprietary? Couldn't find any info about the licensing from the website.
vijaybritto 7y ago
I would like to know the amount of ram it uses since it's gonna be a long running application
mastercheif 7y ago
I would focus on making the best Reddit macOS app you can, that will likely be your largest and most receptive audience. You should use the Apollo iOS app as your benchmark as far as responsiveness and feature set is concerned. I signed up for the beta, the most glaring omissions are: 1. Keyboard shortcuts. You'll probably want to implement arrow key navigation as well as Google Reader shortcuts (J=Next, K=Previous, see Reeder.app). RES is the gold standard you should be shooting for: http://joeross.me/res/ http://joeross.me/res/ 2. Expand at least a few levels of child comments by default. Apollo does a great job with this. 3. Remove avatar placeholders for services that do not have avatars. 4. Increase information density. In the same vertical space that I can see 14 posts on reddit.com, I can only see 10 in the compact view in your app. The comments are in worse shape, you must remove the spacing between the comment "cards". Overall, I'm impressed with what you've built here and could see using this app. Keyboard shortcuts are a must before I would spend any significant time using it.
- 7961636B6572 7y ago
  Thanks for the feedback. That is my current focus. Keyboard shortcuts & dark theme are the highest priority right now. Glad to hear you like the app. Please let me know if you run into any issues.
alpha0mega 7y ago
Looks neat, will be helpful to have something for linux as well
crazygringo 7y ago
The idea that web communities and content have become standardized enough to have a single look-and-feel client is an intriguing idea. And it looks beautiful. Unfortunately, I just wouldn't install a native app for that. My browser is plenty performant to handle it, and I want to be able to call it up wherever I am -- on my home computer, work computer, friend's computer, backup work laptop, whatever -- without having to bother to install something. (And some companies don't let you install software.) Also I'd want to hide stories I've already read and want that to be synced, which necessitates a server anyways. I'm genuinely curious what benefit a native app has here, why that direction was taken? I can honestly only see drawbacks. (I can understand an app on mobile, just not on desktop.)
- Legogris 7y ago
  Privacy? With a FOSS (or even just third-party) app, the service operator has less fine-grained tracking and behavioral data for you as a user. The UI can also be designed with the user's best interest in mind, as an alternative to the egagement-driven dark UX patterns that have started becoming the status quo on the web in just a few years. I use a CLI for Reddit[0] specifically for this reason - I would definitely be potential user for something like Yack. Opening links from the app in an external browser is trivial. Now that you mention it, it'd be a good idea to make it work in the other direction as well. Surely it wouldn't be too tricky to make a browser extension for this? [0]: https://github.com/michael-lazar/rtv https://github.com/michael-lazar/rtv
- martinlev 7y ago
  I also don't get the advantage compared to having, let's say favorites in your browser, or use some browser plugins to augment it. What if there is this new community site? You need to develop something again in the unified browser to make it work.
robdachshund 7y ago
I really like the idea, but are you going to port it to windows or browsers?
dotdi 7y ago
Let's chant it together: dark theme, dark theme, DARK THEME.
- 7961636B6572 7y ago
  if this comment gets 200 replies, will stay up all night and release it this morning.
  - dotdi 7y ago
    I conjure you, my HN brothers, reply as thou hast never replied in thine life.
    - smokelegend 7y ago
      Dark mode is not a option but a feature... or it should be marketed as such...
  - uniclaude 7y ago
    Do it with upvotes instead, or it'll probably trigger some flamewar detector!
- edraferi 7y ago
  +1
- anigbrowl 7y ago
  Ancient legend tells of a time when you could set that sort of thing once at the OS level. It's kinda weird how my most advanced desktop UI experience remains Enlightenment ~0.13 around 1999.
wyc 7y ago
I think the implications of an open source API-only access method for these services are huge for user privacy. Taking reliance off of company-provided JavaScript will result in truer control over what actually gets sent to their servers. Advertising would have to be fought for through client acceptance at the API level. The tradeoff for users is access to new features and accepting more responsibility for upgrading/maintaining the interface.
NilsIRL 7y ago
Like always centralization seems nice at first except that it is just not possible to have an app that speaks every API fragmenting the user experience even more.
diminoten 7y ago
I'd love a way to interact with each site using many users. E.g. "Comment" button has a dropdown for all the registered users for that site. I've found having more purpose-driven usernames for some sites to be helpful, but the burden of switching between those users is immense and doesn't feel great.
taf2 7y ago
Feels like multiple tabs in a browser window already solve this - at the UI part... Maybe there is a part of this that allows for easier cross referencing between sites?
batiudrami 7y ago
Looks just like Shift [1] which more-or-less promises the same thing for social media and communication (but is just an Electron skin anyway). [1] https://tryshift.com/ https://tryshift.com/
anigbrowl 7y ago
Super cool, but why would you limit yourself to mac users even in alpha? Oh well. Anyway, we need more of this sort of thing. Most social websites only have value as endpoints and relying on their own UI is just a vertical trap. CSS and designers have done huge damage to the web; a lot of the blame lies with marketing departments.
eric-hu 7y ago
Feedback: I jumped at this headline because HN, YouTube and Reddit are the main social media sources I consume now. I left the front page because I tend to browse these more on my phone or iPad. I do browse Reddit on my computer more than on iOS, but only because the Reddit mobile webpage is so terrible. Wish youR Mac app blows up and you make an iOS app one day.
- thirdsun 7y ago
  > I do browse Reddit on my computer more than on iOS, but only because the Reddit mobile webpage is so terrible. Have your tried Apollo[0]? It's a much better Reddit experience on iPad or iPhone than their official options, whether it's the website or their app. [0] https://apolloapp.io/ https://apolloapp.io/
  - iaml 7y ago
    Apollo on ipad is torturous. I use it on mobile, but narwhal blows it out of the water on ipad.
    - thirdsun 7y ago
      What's the problem on iPad? I used Narwhal briefly, before Apollo, but it never particularly impressed me, though I can't name any specific faults either - maybe the design language, which doesn't feel very native or in line with iOS' overall appearance.
      - iaml 7y ago
        It's not optimized for tablets, just scaled. Narwhal displays a normal ipad-oriented layout like mail.
  - eric-hu 7y ago
    Downloading it now to give it a whirl. Thank you for the recommendation!
baalimago 7y ago
How is this different from using a browser?
- 7961636B6572 7y ago
  Good question. Yack started out as a native macOS app for Reddit. As I was working on it, I realized most communities are the same, but provide different and somewhat clunky (especially on desktop) experience. This lead me into building an open source plugin architecture which allows anyone to bring their favorite communities to Yack. Plugin architecture, with the help of some really talented engineers helped me quickly build plugins for my favorite communities (Reddit, YouTube, Indie Hackers and Hacker News). As to answer your question, same argument can be made against Apple's Mail app (which has been a big inspiration for designing Yack). People have multiple email accounts, imagine they all had different UI and you had to have multiple tabs open at all times, switching back and forth, each with different UI/UX. That would suck. Even with a single email address, lots of people, including myself use Apple Mail instead of Gmail's website. I'm a member of multiple Slack teams, it would suck if each looked different and provided different experience and I'd have to use a web browser to talk to my coworkers. Do you think Slack would take off if it was just a website and didn't provide a desktop experience? Yack! combines multiple communities into a single, unified desktop experience and takes full advantage of the desktop platform, including native OS level notifications, keyboard shortcuts, and many more.
vmurthy 7y ago
A great looking app. Just signed up for Beta :-) Went through the website but couldn't find a piece of info: Keyboard shortcuts (preferably vim-like). Is it already there or something in the works? I've been using a plugin for HN for sometime now and would love the same experience on a desktop client as well.
- 7961636B6572 7y ago
  keyboard shortcuts is in the works :)
zapzupnz 7y ago
This was all very cool up until I needed to create a Yack account. Yeah, nah.
erklik 7y ago
I would suggest optimizing the images, or lazy loading them. I have relatively fast internet but the images were taking a while to load. I'd also suggest using JPEG 2000 or WebP images, as they can be faster to load. Considering this is shared here, I am willing to wait but usually I would click out if the images are taking too long to load especially considering that images provide major info in terms of whether I want to use this or not.
shomyo 7y ago
>Yack! is a native desktop app smh Another electron wrapper for some website. Wow! Very cool. (No)
pratio 7y ago
I just tried it and i agree with some of the comments here, not as fast or smooth as a native app should be. Now, as far as I understand HN only has a readonly API but reddit can be made completely native. Apollo for ios is the best example there. Personally, i am tired of electron or the mix of electron and native apps that end up using more and more electron code as they grow.
AlchemistCamp 7y ago
Building on IH is brave. From what I can tell @csallen is basically constantly changing its core interactions. It went from posting articles to both articles and tweet-like "posts" to just posts. In fact, just looking at the screenshots now, I can see Yack is showing hash tags which were a highly use feature... but Courtland just ripped them out of the app last week! https://www.indiehackers.com/product/indie-hackers/-LlYr9ORNwC8KT2rLu14 https://www.indiehackers.com/product/indie-hackers/-LlYr9ORN...
manbearpiggy 7y ago
I was thinking recently about video streaming sites. There is only one, really, that creators can use. Youtube creators are very vocal about how frustrating YT is becoming. What if creators could use any video streaming site (vimeo, tiktok, whatever) and a single app or site could bring all this together. This could be the answer, this could solve the problem of monopolies like YouTube.
AngryData 7y ago
Not related to the app, but I really hate the sliding pages website UI. I almost closed the site because I thought it was broken at first. My problem is that I don't have my browser at full screen and it starts flipping pages before I can get to the bottom of the current page. And its not like I just had a little slit of a browser either, it is 2/3 of my screen down and 95% the width. Although the only reason I don't have it smaller now is because all the websites with fucked up banner ads and popups that don't scroll at all. But my screen is large, I don't want or need my browser to be at full resolution, it shouldn't be assumed that it will be.
sylvanaar 7y ago
All I get is a 404 from the download link.
ceezuns 7y ago
A version for Linux would be nice.
awaisraad 7y ago
You broke my heart with Mac only. I won't forgive you.
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katttrrr 7y ago

Looks incredible!

benjaminbrodie 7y ago
Wow! Damn!
7961636B6572 7y ago
thanks :)
johnmichaels 7y ago
Agree, Kat, the interface reminds me a bit of slack and having it as a desktop app makes it quite easy to browse when you have a couple of minutes of free time.

maximp 7y ago

Sweet idea! Looking forward to trying this out.

7961636B6572 7y ago
Thanks. Don't forget to report back here :)

johndubchak 7y ago

I love the idea...when is the Linux beta?

7961636B6572 7y ago
Focusing on macOS version and building more plugins at the moment, thinking about Stackoverflow and StackExchange next, but also open to suggestions. Let me know what you think :) Linux and Windows support will be added with the final release.
- O_H_E 7y ago
  Will be waiting for Linux :D PS: you mention Windows in the landing page, but not Linux.
  - 7961636B6572 7y ago
    will update the landing page now.

7961636B6572 7y ago

Yack! is a native desktop app built for online communities such as Hacker News, Reddit, YouTube, Indie Hackers and many more. It has an open source plugin architecture which allows anyone to build a plugin for their favorite communities. If you're interested in helping out, shoot me an email at hello[at]yack.io Looking forward to your feedback :)

dewey 7y ago
> is a native desktop What does native mean in this context? Looks like Electron from the screenshots.
- deca6cda37d0 7y ago
  Its a native cross platform app. Not a native Mac app or Windows app.
  - dewey 7y ago
    It would be better to say it's a cross-platform app then I think. For me native app means it's a native Mac or Windows app.
    - CathedralBorrow 7y ago
      I'd guess it's written for the normal person rather than someone who understands that cross-platform means.
levidxyz 7y ago
As far as I can tell, Indie Hackers doesn't have public apis. Just curious, how are you are gathering posts, etc from IH? Nice work!
- dewey 7y ago
  Use the website API?

jccalhoun 7y ago

This looks nice but "Many Communities, one UI" just doesn't work for me. The way I use hacker news is different than the way I use youtube. And it is different than how I use reddit.

ScottFree 7y ago
How do you use HN and Reddit that makes them so dissimilar? From a UI standpoint, not a 'quality of the discussions' standpoint.
- the_watcher 7y ago
  There are many posts on Reddit where I don't particularly care about the comments, and others where I'm just looking for a specific answer. In contrast, I'm actually far more likely to open an HN link in the first place if it has some comments.
- jccalhoun 7y ago
  Like the_watcher said, a lot of times in reddit I will just look at a pic of a meme or something that isn't pure text. Sometimes it is a discussion post or something where I do read comments but it isn't a discussion of something on another site. On HN, I almost always click to read the article and if it is interesting I will read the discussion on HN. I rarely look at something that isn't primarily text on HN.

kikki 7y ago

> One App to replace them all. You mean like a browser? > Intuitive UI I understand I'm probably not the target market for this - but I'm very uninspired by the Slack-copy design trend happening everywhere.

toxican 7y ago
> You mean like a browser? I can see this being a nice alternative to a few browser options for checking the latest across multiple sites. Pinned tabs, "Open All" bookmark folder, loose tabs, etc. Not ideal, imo, so having them all in one place and unified under a single UI might be kind of nice. Can't really speak to the UI though since this is unfortunately macOS only :(
- ProAm 7y ago
  > I can see this being a nice alternative to a few browser options for checking the latest across multiple site It's just another walled garden approach
  - kkarakk 7y ago
    Which is good coz most of these communities are time sucks so consciously having to open an app instead of just opening a new tab is great. Currently i use another browser for this(firefox is for browsing hackernews, chrome is for work since devtools are better)
    - ShinTakuya 7y ago
      Besides when working with web workers I've actually had an overall better experience with FF dev tools in the recent couple of years. I recommend trying them out again if you haven't already.
    - erklik 7y ago
      > Currently i use another browser for this(firefox is for browsing hackernews, chrome is for work since devtools are better) Have you tried Firefox Developer Mode? I find it to be lots better, especially if you are using grid or flexbox.

philfrasty 7y ago

Looks cool! Reminds me of (YCs) Station with a focus on online communities. Hint: Says "0 beta users signed up since August 1st 2019" in the bottom left corner. Maybe refresh the cache?

7961636B6572 7y ago
thanks for the feedback. Yep, currently looking into the issue. There're over 1.5k beta testers so far. Didn't know Station was from YC. Yack is a native app with a custom UI/UX built specifically for browsing online communities. As far as I remember, Station was another wrapper that points to actual websites, no?

zbushqa 7y ago

Sweet! Pretty good idea.

foobar_ 7y ago
You created an account to post this comment, how incredibly noble of you.
- recov 7y ago
  Most people create an account to post a comment

trevett 7y ago

Really like the concept--I think you're on to something in creating a unified UI for all these similar services. But..getting into the beta was a giant PITA. 1. Enter email 2. Check email 3. Download client 4. Go back to email, copy code 5. Paste code 6. Go back to email, click sign in link 7. Browser asks if it's ok to open Yack 8. Create profile in Yack (at this point I bounced) Honestly, just let me download the beta directly, open it and have it Just Work. This is a new product and people will be skeptical. Friction is therefore your enemy. Would it be possible to skip profile creation as well?

7961636B6572 7y ago
Hey, thanks for the feedback. Will consider making the Yack profile optional. For the beta version it was necessary because the app has a "Feedback" community, which is built on top of Discourse - This is where users provide feedback and report bugs. Thought about creating a subreddit on Reddit for feedback/bug reports but for users who are on HN or YT, it was necessary to have Yack's own community. Creating Yack profile automatically creates an account on Yack's Discourse instance but it never associates plugin accounts (hacker news, reddit, etc) with your Yack profile.
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- AlphaWeaver 7y ago
  Would second that this should be optional ASAP. I understand your need and desire to collect feedback but I don't think it's a great idea to require users to create a profile for something that is a client. There are other ways to collect feedback than a Discourse instance. Why not just stand up a contact form, Twitter account, or email address?
  - 7961636B6572 7y ago
    Definitely. Received similar feedback from other users as well and will consider making this optional.

and0 7y ago

I can see some issues with trying to unify disparate communities / features for power users, but I would love a streamlined HN / Reddit comment browser with better nesting that sits on my Mac desktop. Signed up for the beta. EDIT: Oof, not so interesting in making a profile for it, though.

7961636B6572 7y ago
Will consider making the Yack profile optional. For the beta version it was necessary because the app has a "Feedback" community, which is built on top of Discourse - This is where users provide feedback and report bugs. Creating Yack profile automatically creates an account on Yack's Discourse instance but it never associates plugin accounts (hacker news, reddit, etc) with your Yack profile.

rvz 7y ago

> Do more with less clutter, fewer clicks, less scroll, fewer tabs, fewer pages, fewer buttons, fewer ads, less mess... Looks very promising if it is really a native desktop app, but then if it is electron, then that is the equivalent to having a fixed set of Chrome tabs open with an ad-blocker on. I hope when you say 'native' that this app actually is native, otherwise it will be yet another bloated app to add to my collection of electron apps on my MacBook.

7961636B6572 7y ago
It's a mix of Electron & native code (Swift). I have done so many optimizations to make it lightweight, smooth and fast. If you have an older Mac, try it on it and see how fast it is. I use Apple Mail app for my emails and for my benchmarks so far, Yack works faster and smoother than Apple Mail. Give it a try and don't forget to report back here :)
- deca6cda37d0 7y ago
  It's really not. Even on my MacBook Air 2019 loading of the different communities is slow. Feedback for example at least takes 3,4,5 seconds. While Apple Mail is measurable in milliseconds. Also when logging into hacker news it's loading an internal web view instead of a popup, a popup safari web view would be better because of password autofill.
- ngold 7y ago
  Sweet, great work. Does it work on an ipad3?
  - zapzupnz 7y ago
    Does anything still work on an iPad 3? I would have thought a lot of newer apps target iOS 10 or higher by now.

guessmyname 7y ago

> If your work isn't ready for people to try out yet, please don't do a Show HN. Once it's ready, come back and do it then. > Blog posts, sign-up pages, and fundraisers can't be tried out, so they can't be Show HNs. Read the “Show HN” rules please: https://news.ycombinator.com/showhn.html https://news.ycombinator.com/showhn.html

7961636B6572 7y ago
Hey, thanks for the heads up. The app is ready and can be downloaded and unlocked via the landing page. It's beta at the moment but is very stable based on the feedback we've received from over 1.5k beta testers.
Kiro 7y ago
You misunderstand. The rule refers to a sign-up page for something that does not yet exist.

1023bytes 7y ago

That makes my procrastination so efficient you can't even call it procrastinating

7961636B6572 7y ago
:)

kart23 7y ago

Yack means throw up in many circles. Just be aware of the name. https://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=yack https://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=yack

pfraze 7y ago
It also means "talk"
- jersully72 7y ago
  FWIW, "talk" is what came to my mind. But it's social media though, so the other yakking will be involved...
- seandougall 7y ago
  I've only ever seen that spelled as "yak", so it took me a while to make that connection.
  - joegahona 7y ago
    I thought "yak" was the bison animal. And that's what I thought of when I saw the name of this app -- not vomiting.
- parliament32 7y ago
  That's "yak" https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/yak https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/yak
verdverm 7y ago
Made me think of YikYak (r.i.p.)
foxrob92 7y ago
My immediate thought too. It's definitely got that meaning in Australia.

stcredzero 7y ago

Actually, I was just thinking of something like this. In particular, I'd like to be able to keep tabs on a group of YouTube creators, without being dependent on the whims and machinations of what the YouTube team wants to promote. There are also certain creators who post to both YouTube and BitChute, but prefer BitChute, and I'd like to have a browser that will show me the BitChute version preferentially, without my having to think about it.

7961636B6572 7y ago
what's BitChute? Never heard of it.
- stcredzero 7y ago
  Basically, a somewhat decentralized YouTube implemented on top of BitTorrent.
  - codetrotter 7y ago
    In a similar fashion, there is also PeerTube. A decentralized video hosting network, based on free/libre software. https://joinpeertube.org/en/ https://joinpeertube.org/en/ I have no involvement with them, but I like the PeerTube project. Might contribute to it in the future.
- anigbrowl 7y ago
  Theoretically, a distributed video-hosting platform. In our less perfect reality, the landfill for stuff thrown off YouTube.

smaili 7y ago

Wasn't there an anonymous app called Yack as well?

dev1n 7y ago
I think you're thinking of yik yak [1]. [1]: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yik_Yak https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yik_Yak

zestyping 7y ago

It looks pretty, but I'm having trouble understanding the use case. A core part of browsing Hacker News or Reddit is opening the links and reading the articles, which are web pages. Once I'm opening web pages, then I want to be able to bookmark them, arrange them in tabs, find them in my history, have them saved in sessions by my session manager extension, configure how they are handled by my ad blocker, search for related information, and so on. In other words, I want a web browser. The same issue applies the other way around, too. When I follow a link _to_ Hacker News, I want it to show up consistently. I don't want to end up with some Hacker News pages in browser tabs and some in a separate app, and then have trouble remembering where to find that page I was looking at yesterday. I get that it can be nice to have a slimmed-down UI for specific purposes. But I'm puzzled by this particular use case because there is no neatly contained navigation sandbox — as soon as you follow a couple of links, you're just browsing the Web. So why won't there be an inexorable push to expand Yack's feature set until it is a browser? Why won't users eventually switch back to using their regular browsers?

7961636B6572 7y ago
Yack has a built in browser with reader mode. You can also configure it to open all links in your default browser. It will also allow you to bookmark (and schedule for later) links, posts, comments. In the future, it will allow users to curate their own feed and share it with others. For example; you can create a feed that has posts from specific channels on YouTube, subbreddits on Reddit and people on Twitter.
- marak830 7y ago
  Oh yay another browser bundled with software. Why not just handle links out to our own browsers?
- cameronbrown 7y ago
  To be honest, this would've been much better as a web app/chrome extension.
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tekacs 7y ago

This is really promising and I'm fully set up and using it. One question I have for the author is about keyboard access - there seem to be no keyboard shortcuts at all right now, or even basic navigation (up/down, etc.) Is there any timeline on those sorts of things being available (or possible to add with a plugin)? Once those are in place it'll be far more practical for me to use Yack day-to-day...

7961636B6572 7y ago
thanks for the feedback. Yes, keyboard shortcuts will be in the next release. It's the highest priority item on the list right now.

tyagis 7y ago

Do you really need "Beta Signup" at 8 different places on a single webpage? Sounds being a little desperate to me. Not nit picking here, but may put off some of us with mild OCD. :) Otherwise, great concept! When are sign-ups for Mac opening?

7961636B6572 7y ago
Hey, thanks for the feedback. Sign-ups are open for macOS. As soon as you sign up, you'll receive an email with the invitation code and download link.

citilife 7y ago

I'm sorry, but Why do I need this? This honestly seems harder to have meaningful interactions on the web and likely more difficult to find things.

droptablemain 7y ago

Mac only? Isn't this built with Electron? Why not have a Linux version? Or is this just for the cool kids in the exclusive Apple community?

7961636B6572 7y ago
It's a mix of Electron and native code (Swift). Focusing on perfecting the macOS version for the time being. Will release both for Linux and Windows very soon.
- Zaskoda 7y ago
  I will be eagerly awaiting the Linux version. =)
CathedralBorrow 7y ago
Did you really need to add that final line?
- droptablemain 7y ago
  Yes. I can't help myself.

fastflo 7y ago

this "desktop app" somehow doesn't want to run on my linux desktop?

7961636B6572 7y ago
Focusing on the macOS version for the time being, but will release for Linux & Windows very soon.

julienkervizic 7y ago

great idea, definitely seems like something I would use.

johnmichaels 7y ago
Completely agree julien kervizic, it does seems like something that any devout hackernews reader could use.
- fossuser 7y ago
  Something is weird with all these new accounts with few comments on this thread supporting this. Are you using a bunch of secondary accounts just to comment on your post?
  - elwell 7y ago
    I have my tinfoil hat on as well.

ghobs91 7y ago

If anything, the biggest inadvertent feature is that its resemblance to Slack means you can browse those things at work and look like you're being productive.

7961636B6572 7y ago
it's best when you're working on it :)

cshg 7y ago

Why does it look so much like Slack? :D

7961636B6572 7y ago
you can use it at work all day and look productive :P

rsashwin 7y ago

What is your business model?

7961636B6572 7y ago
Hey, thanks for the question. Haven't really thought about monetization yet. Want to focus on building the best desktop experience for online communities. Would love to be able to focus on it full time at some point (would be a dream). Maybe will introduce some paid features in the future, but everything in this version will always stay free.
- rsashwin 7y ago
  Ok. I will consider adopting this in my life.

TomatoTomato 7y ago

Is there any support for extensions like Reddit Enhancement Suite?

7961636B6572 7y ago
No, Yack is not a full blown browser. It's a community app, but will support almost all features RES does out of the box. It already supports multiple accounts across all networks. Few things on the roadmap: Keyboard Shortcuts Dark Theme Notifications Chat Curated Feeds (Curating posts across multiple networks into a single feed) Plugins for Stackoverflow & StackExchange.

cl0ne 7y ago

This reminds me of a browser I tried out years ago called Raven. It had a similar interface with icons for different sites along the side. It doesn't look like the website is still online though. https://web.archive.org/web/20111124103600/http://raven.io/ https://web.archive.org/web/20111124103600/http://raven.io/

nestorherre 7y ago

Looks good. Please make another Show HN once you release for Windows, will use for sure.

7961636B6572 7y ago
will do, thanks :)

vinceguidry 7y ago

Wishful thinking, I'm sure, but I'd love to see Quora support. But that's probably totally unfeasible.

7961636B6572 7y ago
It's feasible and already thinking about Quora plugin. Yack has an open source plugin architecture. Each community in the app, Hacker News, YouTube, Reddit are a plugin. Once out of beta, users will be able to install custom plugins directly from a GitHub url.
- vinceguidry 7y ago
  Godspeed. As far as I've been able to tell Quora is actively hostile to anyone trying to improve the experience of using their site. Drives me bonkers.

ghostbrainalpha 7y ago

I like it. All of my procrastination sites in one app so my browser history doesn't get cluttered by non work stuff. One of my biggest fears is when I start to type in a URL during a screen share with a client who's website is REGEX.COM, and they will see my auto fill trying to take us to Reddit.com/SEXY_TOE_PARTY

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qwerty456127 7y ago

Looks cool. But it should have a Python API letting you wrte your own source drivers so you could add other blogs. PS: If only everybody were implementing ATOM and doing it properly - we wouldn't have to implement any site-specific clients then.

7961636B6572 7y ago
It has plugin architecture that allows anyone to build plugins for Yack. Once out of beta, users will be able to install custom plugins directly from GitHub. Plugins must be written in TypeScript though.
- qwerty456127 7y ago
  Great. TypeScript doesn't feel as great for this kind of task (I mean content processing) as Python does but still feels a sufficiently reasonable alternative. Will you also release Linux and Windows versions or is it meant to be Mac-only?
  - 7961636B6572 7y ago
    There'll definitely be Windows and Linux versions, but focusing on the macOS version for the time being.
  - 7961636B6572 7y ago
    Why do you think Python is better than TypeScript?
    - qwerty456127 7y ago
      Does TypeScript have BeautifulSoup? TypeScript seems very appealing to me (a C# programmer) but it also seems like Python lets you write more concise text/XML/HTML processing code and already has particularly helpful libraries for this. Also, virtually everybody writes at least some Python which makes it a perfect language for user-developed extensions. I don't mean TypeScript is much worse. Python just is the first thing to come to my mind as "right tool for the job" when it's about textual content processing. I'm not saying "please implement Python support instead", I'm just explaining why I've mentioned Python first. TypeScript is great too.

codesushi42 7y ago

Remember RSS readers? Pepperidge Farms remembers.

drexlspivey 7y ago
I use feedly with over 100 feeds and an ifttt hook that saves the article to instapaper when I click 'read later' and it works great.
- skinnymuch 7y ago
  Can you see comments with RSS feeds? Also do you pay for Feedly?
  - codesushi42 7y ago
    Comments are supported in the RSS spec. And Feedly is free.
    - skinnymuch 7y ago
      Feedly isn’t free. Site says basic/free is limited to “100 sources and 3 feeds”. It’s freemium. OP says they have over 100 feeds (which would be sources in this case, no clue what feeds are). Sorry, I meant if comments are actually available in a majority or even a strong minority of RSS feeds. Last time I tried them, rarely were comments included. And def not for HN, etc.

hiei 7y ago

I'd be interested if this were browser based.

oehtXRwMkIs 7y ago

I'm guessing this is proprietary? Couldn't find any info about the licensing from the website.

vijaybritto 7y ago

I would like to know the amount of ram it uses since it's gonna be a long running application

mastercheif 7y ago

I would focus on making the best Reddit macOS app you can, that will likely be your largest and most receptive audience. You should use the Apollo iOS app as your benchmark as far as responsiveness and feature set is concerned. I signed up for the beta, the most glaring omissions are: 1. Keyboard shortcuts. You'll probably want to implement arrow key navigation as well as Google Reader shortcuts (J=Next, K=Previous, see Reeder.app). RES is the gold standard you should be shooting for: http://joeross.me/res/ http://joeross.me/res/ 2. Expand at least a few levels of child comments by default. Apollo does a great job with this. 3. Remove avatar placeholders for services that do not have avatars. 4. Increase information density. In the same vertical space that I can see 14 posts on reddit.com, I can only see 10 in the compact view in your app. The comments are in worse shape, you must remove the spacing between the comment "cards". Overall, I'm impressed with what you've built here and could see using this app. Keyboard shortcuts are a must before I would spend any significant time using it.

7961636B6572 7y ago
Thanks for the feedback. That is my current focus. Keyboard shortcuts & dark theme are the highest priority right now. Glad to hear you like the app. Please let me know if you run into any issues.

alpha0mega 7y ago

Looks neat, will be helpful to have something for linux as well

crazygringo 7y ago

The idea that web communities and content have become standardized enough to have a single look-and-feel client is an intriguing idea. And it looks beautiful. Unfortunately, I just wouldn't install a native app for that. My browser is plenty performant to handle it, and I want to be able to call it up wherever I am -- on my home computer, work computer, friend's computer, backup work laptop, whatever -- without having to bother to install something. (And some companies don't let you install software.) Also I'd want to hide stories I've already read and want that to be synced, which necessitates a server anyways. I'm genuinely curious what benefit a native app has here, why that direction was taken? I can honestly only see drawbacks. (I can understand an app on mobile, just not on desktop.)

Legogris 7y ago
Privacy? With a FOSS (or even just third-party) app, the service operator has less fine-grained tracking and behavioral data for you as a user. The UI can also be designed with the user's best interest in mind, as an alternative to the egagement-driven dark UX patterns that have started becoming the status quo on the web in just a few years. I use a CLI for Reddit[0] specifically for this reason - I would definitely be potential user for something like Yack. Opening links from the app in an external browser is trivial. Now that you mention it, it'd be a good idea to make it work in the other direction as well. Surely it wouldn't be too tricky to make a browser extension for this? [0]: https://github.com/michael-lazar/rtv https://github.com/michael-lazar/rtv
martinlev 7y ago
I also don't get the advantage compared to having, let's say favorites in your browser, or use some browser plugins to augment it. What if there is this new community site? You need to develop something again in the unified browser to make it work.

robdachshund 7y ago

I really like the idea, but are you going to port it to windows or browsers?

dotdi 7y ago

Let's chant it together: dark theme, dark theme, DARK THEME.

7961636B6572 7y ago
if this comment gets 200 replies, will stay up all night and release it this morning.
- dotdi 7y ago
  I conjure you, my HN brothers, reply as thou hast never replied in thine life.
  - smokelegend 7y ago
    Dark mode is not a option but a feature... or it should be marketed as such...
- uniclaude 7y ago
  Do it with upvotes instead, or it'll probably trigger some flamewar detector!
edraferi 7y ago
+1
anigbrowl 7y ago
Ancient legend tells of a time when you could set that sort of thing once at the OS level. It's kinda weird how my most advanced desktop UI experience remains Enlightenment ~0.13 around 1999.

wyc 7y ago

I think the implications of an open source API-only access method for these services are huge for user privacy. Taking reliance off of company-provided JavaScript will result in truer control over what actually gets sent to their servers. Advertising would have to be fought for through client acceptance at the API level. The tradeoff for users is access to new features and accepting more responsibility for upgrading/maintaining the interface.

NilsIRL 7y ago

Like always centralization seems nice at first except that it is just not possible to have an app that speaks every API fragmenting the user experience even more.

diminoten 7y ago

I'd love a way to interact with each site using many users. E.g. "Comment" button has a dropdown for all the registered users for that site. I've found having more purpose-driven usernames for some sites to be helpful, but the burden of switching between those users is immense and doesn't feel great.

taf2 7y ago

Feels like multiple tabs in a browser window already solve this - at the UI part... Maybe there is a part of this that allows for easier cross referencing between sites?

batiudrami 7y ago

Looks just like Shift [1] which more-or-less promises the same thing for social media and communication (but is just an Electron skin anyway). [1] https://tryshift.com/ https://tryshift.com/

anigbrowl 7y ago

Super cool, but why would you limit yourself to mac users even in alpha? Oh well. Anyway, we need more of this sort of thing. Most social websites only have value as endpoints and relying on their own UI is just a vertical trap. CSS and designers have done huge damage to the web; a lot of the blame lies with marketing departments.

eric-hu 7y ago

Feedback: I jumped at this headline because HN, YouTube and Reddit are the main social media sources I consume now. I left the front page because I tend to browse these more on my phone or iPad. I do browse Reddit on my computer more than on iOS, but only because the Reddit mobile webpage is so terrible. Wish youR Mac app blows up and you make an iOS app one day.

thirdsun 7y ago
> I do browse Reddit on my computer more than on iOS, but only because the Reddit mobile webpage is so terrible. Have your tried Apollo[0]? It's a much better Reddit experience on iPad or iPhone than their official options, whether it's the website or their app. [0] https://apolloapp.io/ https://apolloapp.io/
- iaml 7y ago
  Apollo on ipad is torturous. I use it on mobile, but narwhal blows it out of the water on ipad.
  - thirdsun 7y ago
    What's the problem on iPad? I used Narwhal briefly, before Apollo, but it never particularly impressed me, though I can't name any specific faults either - maybe the design language, which doesn't feel very native or in line with iOS' overall appearance.
    - iaml 7y ago
      It's not optimized for tablets, just scaled. Narwhal displays a normal ipad-oriented layout like mail.
- eric-hu 7y ago
  Downloading it now to give it a whirl. Thank you for the recommendation!

baalimago 7y ago

How is this different from using a browser?

7961636B6572 7y ago
Good question. Yack started out as a native macOS app for Reddit. As I was working on it, I realized most communities are the same, but provide different and somewhat clunky (especially on desktop) experience. This lead me into building an open source plugin architecture which allows anyone to bring their favorite communities to Yack. Plugin architecture, with the help of some really talented engineers helped me quickly build plugins for my favorite communities (Reddit, YouTube, Indie Hackers and Hacker News). As to answer your question, same argument can be made against Apple's Mail app (which has been a big inspiration for designing Yack). People have multiple email accounts, imagine they all had different UI and you had to have multiple tabs open at all times, switching back and forth, each with different UI/UX. That would suck. Even with a single email address, lots of people, including myself use Apple Mail instead of Gmail's website. I'm a member of multiple Slack teams, it would suck if each looked different and provided different experience and I'd have to use a web browser to talk to my coworkers. Do you think Slack would take off if it was just a website and didn't provide a desktop experience? Yack! combines multiple communities into a single, unified desktop experience and takes full advantage of the desktop platform, including native OS level notifications, keyboard shortcuts, and many more.

vmurthy 7y ago

A great looking app. Just signed up for Beta :-) Went through the website but couldn't find a piece of info: Keyboard shortcuts (preferably vim-like). Is it already there or something in the works? I've been using a plugin for HN for sometime now and would love the same experience on a desktop client as well.

7961636B6572 7y ago
keyboard shortcuts is in the works :)

zapzupnz 7y ago

This was all very cool up until I needed to create a Yack account. Yeah, nah.

erklik 7y ago

I would suggest optimizing the images, or lazy loading them. I have relatively fast internet but the images were taking a while to load. I'd also suggest using JPEG 2000 or WebP images, as they can be faster to load. Considering this is shared here, I am willing to wait but usually I would click out if the images are taking too long to load especially considering that images provide major info in terms of whether I want to use this or not.

shomyo 7y ago

>Yack! is a native desktop app smh Another electron wrapper for some website. Wow! Very cool. (No)

pratio 7y ago

I just tried it and i agree with some of the comments here, not as fast or smooth as a native app should be. Now, as far as I understand HN only has a readonly API but reddit can be made completely native. Apollo for ios is the best example there. Personally, i am tired of electron or the mix of electron and native apps that end up using more and more electron code as they grow.

AlchemistCamp 7y ago

Building on IH is brave. From what I can tell @csallen is basically constantly changing its core interactions. It went from posting articles to both articles and tweet-like "posts" to just posts. In fact, just looking at the screenshots now, I can see Yack is showing hash tags which were a highly use feature... but Courtland just ripped them out of the app last week! https://www.indiehackers.com/product/indie-hackers/-LlYr9ORNwC8KT2rLu14 https://www.indiehackers.com/product/indie-hackers/-LlYr9ORN...

manbearpiggy 7y ago

I was thinking recently about video streaming sites. There is only one, really, that creators can use. Youtube creators are very vocal about how frustrating YT is becoming. What if creators could use any video streaming site (vimeo, tiktok, whatever) and a single app or site could bring all this together. This could be the answer, this could solve the problem of monopolies like YouTube.

AngryData 7y ago

Not related to the app, but I really hate the sliding pages website UI. I almost closed the site because I thought it was broken at first. My problem is that I don't have my browser at full screen and it starts flipping pages before I can get to the bottom of the current page. And its not like I just had a little slit of a browser either, it is 2/3 of my screen down and 95% the width. Although the only reason I don't have it smaller now is because all the websites with fucked up banner ads and popups that don't scroll at all. But my screen is large, I don't want or need my browser to be at full resolution, it shouldn't be assumed that it will be.

sylvanaar 7y ago

All I get is a 404 from the download link.

ceezuns 7y ago

A version for Linux would be nice.

awaisraad 7y ago

You broke my heart with Mac only. I won't forgive you.

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