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We should have applied the same policy of containment to China, that was used against the Soviet Union. But instead we let our greed get in the way, and now we

We should have applied the same policy of containment to China, that was used against the Soviet Union. But instead we let our greed get in the way, and now we've created an (arguably) evil superpower.

jonathanyc 7y ago
How’s Russia working out for us and for the Russian people these days? Or Belarus, or Poland?
- chroem- 7y ago
  At least they're not getting rolled over by tanks.
  - YeahSureWhyNot 7y ago
    did you know russian army drove tanks at people in multiple cities when soviet union fell apart? google january 20th tragedy, warning: its graphic
    - free652 7y ago
      Like this one? https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Baku_pogrom https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Baku_pogrom
      - YeahSureWhyNot 7y ago
        while thats a different tragedy resulted from incompetence of soviet assigned government, no, I am referring to what they did in 3 different countries. 1-https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Black_January https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Black_January 2-https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/April_9_tragedy https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/April_9_tragedy 3-https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/January_Events_(Lithuania) https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/January_Events_(Lithuania)
- adventured 7y ago
  It's working out fine for 'us,' mostly. Putin has exhausted his only card though, the energy card, which was used to give Russia's economy a jump; now there's no follow-up maneuver. The Russian people have of course started to take notice of that fact. Russia is an increasingly inconsequential regional power, with a relatively weak and small economy (now smaller than Canada; about to be smaller than Australia). Generally they pose zero threat to the US and Western Europe in their present form; at least so long as NATO remains intact. Their military is weak and broken, they can't afford to maintain it properly - much less upgrade it - so they've shifted to magic scary super weapon propaganda and PR desperation. It's Belarus and Ukraine primarily at issue, not Poland. Poland is doing great overall, they've almost entirely left Russia's orbit in terms of overt influence. Their economic output per capita is beginning to embarrass Russia, it's now 50% higher than Russia's figure (that gap will increase). Poland is starting to push into the upper tier of the middle income nations, with a real shot at leaving that group and moving into the upper economic tier in the next two decades, along with the Baltic states. Russia can't do much to countries like Poland, the Baltics or eg Romania. They know that of course. They can and will persistently, aggressively mess with Belarus (forced union) and Ukraine (constantly seek to destabilize & split it) however. In Russia's ideal world, they keep those two nations impoverished beneath Russia's economic level, so that Russia can perpetually lord over them; then given enough time figure out a way to de facto annex all or a lot of their territory. The people running Russia - including Putin - believe that is all really Russian territory.
  - fggvgg 7y ago
    Poland’s economy is highly subsidized by the German, French and Italian taxpayers, the only significant payers to the EU budget.
    - ChuckNorris89 7y ago
      The countries you mentioned contribute to the EU budget, not Poland's economy.
      - FrojoS 7y ago
rdtsc 7y ago
We didn’t because initially we capitalized on the USSR and China’s split and took advantage of it politically. The enemy of my enemy is my friend type deal... Then at some point we realized China with its large labor pool, low wages and no effective safety legislation was a good place to build all our junk for cheap.

jonathanyc 7y ago

How’s Russia working out for us and for the Russian people these days? Or Belarus, or Poland?

chroem- 7y ago
At least they're not getting rolled over by tanks.
- YeahSureWhyNot 7y ago
  did you know russian army drove tanks at people in multiple cities when soviet union fell apart? google january 20th tragedy, warning: its graphic
  - free652 7y ago
    Like this one? https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Baku_pogrom https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Baku_pogrom
    - YeahSureWhyNot 7y ago
      while thats a different tragedy resulted from incompetence of soviet assigned government, no, I am referring to what they did in 3 different countries. 1-https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Black_January https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Black_January 2-https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/April_9_tragedy https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/April_9_tragedy 3-https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/January_Events_(Lithuania) https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/January_Events_(Lithuania)
adventured 7y ago
It's working out fine for 'us,' mostly. Putin has exhausted his only card though, the energy card, which was used to give Russia's economy a jump; now there's no follow-up maneuver. The Russian people have of course started to take notice of that fact. Russia is an increasingly inconsequential regional power, with a relatively weak and small economy (now smaller than Canada; about to be smaller than Australia). Generally they pose zero threat to the US and Western Europe in their present form; at least so long as NATO remains intact. Their military is weak and broken, they can't afford to maintain it properly - much less upgrade it - so they've shifted to magic scary super weapon propaganda and PR desperation. It's Belarus and Ukraine primarily at issue, not Poland. Poland is doing great overall, they've almost entirely left Russia's orbit in terms of overt influence. Their economic output per capita is beginning to embarrass Russia, it's now 50% higher than Russia's figure (that gap will increase). Poland is starting to push into the upper tier of the middle income nations, with a real shot at leaving that group and moving into the upper economic tier in the next two decades, along with the Baltic states. Russia can't do much to countries like Poland, the Baltics or eg Romania. They know that of course. They can and will persistently, aggressively mess with Belarus (forced union) and Ukraine (constantly seek to destabilize & split it) however. In Russia's ideal world, they keep those two nations impoverished beneath Russia's economic level, so that Russia can perpetually lord over them; then given enough time figure out a way to de facto annex all or a lot of their territory. The people running Russia - including Putin - believe that is all really Russian territory.
- fggvgg 7y ago
  Poland’s economy is highly subsidized by the German, French and Italian taxpayers, the only significant payers to the EU budget.
  - ChuckNorris89 7y ago
    The countries you mentioned contribute to the EU budget, not Poland's economy.
    - FrojoS 7y ago

rdtsc 7y ago

We didn’t because initially we capitalized on the USSR and China’s split and took advantage of it politically. The enemy of my enemy is my friend type deal... Then at some point we realized China with its large labor pool, low wages and no effective safety legislation was a good place to build all our junk for cheap.