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All we had to do was register our cars in each others names. When I was married, my car was registered to her and vice versa. The redlight/photoradar laws in my

by cronix 7y ago

All we had to do was register our cars in each others names. When I was married, my car was registered to her and vice versa. The redlight/photoradar laws in my state required that the company operating the devices had to match the pic of the driver violating the law, to the pic of the registered owner via the license plate. If they couldn't match them, no ticket was issued as you can't prove who was driving. That's probably changed now that a lot of DMV's are doing facial scans with datapoints. They probably just scan the whole DMV DB now to find the driver. Wear a mask.

joezydeco 7y ago
Or get a right-hand drive car: https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1081607/Speeding-puppet-seat-British-car-makes-muppets-German-police.html https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1081607/Speeding-pu...
- beagle3 7y ago
  Is it true that in England, the person sitting next to the driver IS the driver? :)
  - eitland 7y ago
    It is true in Norway if someone is practice driving; the grown up in the passenger seat is the driver.
    - m463 7y ago
      I took my motorcycle driving test with my licensed driver and the examiner following in the car behind me.
  - MisterTea 7y ago
    Only if your last name is Bucket.
    - joezydeco 7y ago
      LOL totally got that joke. Made my day, thanks!
justinator 7y ago
Or just don't speed.
tooop 7y ago
Where i am from the ticket is issued to the vehicle owner, doesn't matter who was driving. On the plus side it means that you can get a photoradar ticket for driving 300km/h and not lose your licence, just pay the fine. P.S. If the driver must be recognized does it mean that motorcyclists are exempt from photoradar fines?
- monocasa 7y ago
  I thought that motorcycles already didn't really show up on the photoradar scanners. That's the way it is here, but I can totally see that being a jurisdiction by jurisdiction thing.
  - tooop 7y ago
    Here it is easier to avoid getting a photo with motorcycle because there are places where it targets front plate. If photoradar targets back plate then you will get a ticket for a motorcycle just like any car.
  - skgoa 7y ago
    It really depends. The newer traffic control bridges we have on our highways take a picture from both the front and back.
- ptaipale 7y ago
  At least here in Finland, the cameras take pictures of speeding motorcycles, but they are not used. No front license plate.
wirrbel 7y ago
Here I think you are asked to directly wire transfer the penalty amount or you can challenge the ticket, then you will be heard as a witness for who drove the car. If you refuse to tell that or don't know, the judge can order you to keep a log of all joruneys of your car that can be inspected for finding the culprit of a future offense.
ddingus 7y ago
Or use Juggolo face paint.
tracker1 7y ago
Here in AZ, they'll lookup and assume the spouse. Of course, they're also required to serve the ticket in person.
cameronh90 7y ago
In the UK we fixed this by making it a legal requirement for the owner of the car to identify the driver (obviously unless there's a valid reason you can't, such as it being stolen). Two MPs have actually been caught out by this law, convicted of perverting the course of justice and sent to prison: - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fiona_Onasanya https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fiona_Onasanya - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chris_Huhne https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chris_Huhne
- badfrog 7y ago
  > On 3 February 2012, Huhne resigned from the Cabinet when he was charged with perverting the course of justice over a 2003 speeding case. His wife at the time, Vicky Pryce, had claimed that she was driving the car, and accepted the licence penalty points on his behalf so that he could avoid being banned from driving. Huhne denied the charge until the trial began on 4 February 2013 when he changed his plea to guilty, resigned as a member of parliament, and left the Privy Council.[7][8][9] He and Pryce were sentenced at Southwark Crown Court on 11 March to eight months in prison for perverting the course of justice. Going to prison for lying about speeding 10 years ago seems insane. Did they punish these MPs especially heavily just to make a point?
  - dsfyu404ed 7y ago
    He didn't get sent to prison for speeding. He got sent to prison for having the audacity to think he could pull a fast one on them and the balls to actually try.
  - mantap 7y ago
    Generally the courts punish "crimes against justice" such as perjury very harshly as it is seen as an attack on the rule of law itself, something much more valuable than any amount of money. When I was a juror they made it clear that if we got caught talking about the case or did any independent research, we could and would be going to prison.
megaremote 7y ago
So, you were just running red lights, and you think this is a hack worth bragging about?
- lawnchair_larry 7y ago
  It is, that’s a great hack
- cronix 7y ago
  Typically, like they did here, they also lower the yellow light duration when they install these devices, causing more people to "run red lights" and collect $$$ for the jurisdiction. For nothing. This was proven in my state. Accidents have also gone up in these areas because now when the light turns yellow people have been trained to know they don't have enough time to make it through traveling at a normal speed, so they gun it to make it though. If you think I purposefully speed and use this to avoid red lights, you're assuming too much. I don't feel bad one bit circumventing a rigged system. Edit: https://www.motorists.org/issues/red-light-cameras/yellow-lights/ https://www.motorists.org/issues/red-light-cameras/yellow-li...

by cronix 7y ago

joezydeco 7y ago

Or get a right-hand drive car: https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1081607/Speeding-puppet-seat-British-car-makes-muppets-German-police.html https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1081607/Speeding-pu...

beagle3 7y ago
Is it true that in England, the person sitting next to the driver IS the driver? :)
- eitland 7y ago
  It is true in Norway if someone is practice driving; the grown up in the passenger seat is the driver.
  - m463 7y ago
    I took my motorcycle driving test with my licensed driver and the examiner following in the car behind me.
- MisterTea 7y ago
  Only if your last name is Bucket.
  - joezydeco 7y ago
    LOL totally got that joke. Made my day, thanks!

justinator 7y ago

Or just don't speed.

tooop 7y ago

Where i am from the ticket is issued to the vehicle owner, doesn't matter who was driving. On the plus side it means that you can get a photoradar ticket for driving 300km/h and not lose your licence, just pay the fine. P.S. If the driver must be recognized does it mean that motorcyclists are exempt from photoradar fines?

monocasa 7y ago
I thought that motorcycles already didn't really show up on the photoradar scanners. That's the way it is here, but I can totally see that being a jurisdiction by jurisdiction thing.
- tooop 7y ago
  Here it is easier to avoid getting a photo with motorcycle because there are places where it targets front plate. If photoradar targets back plate then you will get a ticket for a motorcycle just like any car.
- skgoa 7y ago
  It really depends. The newer traffic control bridges we have on our highways take a picture from both the front and back.
ptaipale 7y ago
At least here in Finland, the cameras take pictures of speeding motorcycles, but they are not used. No front license plate.

wirrbel 7y ago

Here I think you are asked to directly wire transfer the penalty amount or you can challenge the ticket, then you will be heard as a witness for who drove the car. If you refuse to tell that or don't know, the judge can order you to keep a log of all joruneys of your car that can be inspected for finding the culprit of a future offense.

ddingus 7y ago

Or use Juggolo face paint.

tracker1 7y ago

Here in AZ, they'll lookup and assume the spouse. Of course, they're also required to serve the ticket in person.

cameronh90 7y ago

In the UK we fixed this by making it a legal requirement for the owner of the car to identify the driver (obviously unless there's a valid reason you can't, such as it being stolen). Two MPs have actually been caught out by this law, convicted of perverting the course of justice and sent to prison: - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fiona_Onasanya https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fiona_Onasanya - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chris_Huhne https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chris_Huhne

badfrog 7y ago
> On 3 February 2012, Huhne resigned from the Cabinet when he was charged with perverting the course of justice over a 2003 speeding case. His wife at the time, Vicky Pryce, had claimed that she was driving the car, and accepted the licence penalty points on his behalf so that he could avoid being banned from driving. Huhne denied the charge until the trial began on 4 February 2013 when he changed his plea to guilty, resigned as a member of parliament, and left the Privy Council.[7][8][9] He and Pryce were sentenced at Southwark Crown Court on 11 March to eight months in prison for perverting the course of justice. Going to prison for lying about speeding 10 years ago seems insane. Did they punish these MPs especially heavily just to make a point?
- dsfyu404ed 7y ago
  He didn't get sent to prison for speeding. He got sent to prison for having the audacity to think he could pull a fast one on them and the balls to actually try.
- mantap 7y ago
  Generally the courts punish "crimes against justice" such as perjury very harshly as it is seen as an attack on the rule of law itself, something much more valuable than any amount of money. When I was a juror they made it clear that if we got caught talking about the case or did any independent research, we could and would be going to prison.

megaremote 7y ago

So, you were just running red lights, and you think this is a hack worth bragging about?

lawnchair_larry 7y ago
It is, that’s a great hack
cronix 7y ago
Typically, like they did here, they also lower the yellow light duration when they install these devices, causing more people to "run red lights" and collect $$$ for the jurisdiction. For nothing. This was proven in my state. Accidents have also gone up in these areas because now when the light turns yellow people have been trained to know they don't have enough time to make it through traveling at a normal speed, so they gun it to make it though. If you think I purposefully speed and use this to avoid red lights, you're assuming too much. I don't feel bad one bit circumventing a rigged system. Edit: https://www.motorists.org/issues/red-light-cameras/yellow-lights/ https://www.motorists.org/issues/red-light-cameras/yellow-li...