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saddened to see this poorly constructed comment berating python at the top of this thread. the author seems to have some personal issues with the language given

saddened to see this poorly constructed comment berating python at the top of this thread. the author seems to have some personal issues with the language given the generally frustrated tone of the comment. the entire comment could have just been 1 line "We need official support for a modern package management system, from the Python org itself." which would be consumed as constructive feedback by all readers with the right context. but somehow the author chooses to "vent" adding unnecessary drama to something that does not get in the way of writing high quality production grade python apps (general purpose, web, ai or otherwise) there is no language that is devoid of shortcomings - so to any new (<3 yrs exp) python users, please ignore the above comment entirely as it has no bearing on anything practical that you are doing/will do. and all experienced python users know that there are ways to work around the shortcomings listed here and beyond. this is my psa for the python community!

saagarjha 7y ago
> the entire comment could have just been 1 line "We need official support for a modern package management system, from the Python org itself." I personally would consider this to be a strictly worse comment because it does not go into detail about what’s lacking like the parent comment does.
Chris2048 7y ago
> the author seems to have some personal issues with the language given the generally frustrated tone of the comment What "personal issues" do you think the author has? The frustrated tone comes from the frustrations the author explicitly outlines; unless you think this shouldn't be so, you are turning this into an ad-hom. > the entire comment could have just been 1 line "We need official support for a modern package management system, from the Python org itself." Why? because you don't appreciate the detail on why we need such a thing? These issues certainly get in the way of producing production apps; not in the sense that they make it impossible, but they make the process harder and slower than it needs to be.
rezeroed 7y ago
I actually quite liked that post. I use python maybe once a year or less, and don't enjoy the experience. That post distinguished some of the details which in my rare usage I see simply as a gloopy mess.
imtringued 7y ago
Package management isn't a personal issue. Deploying python applications alongside their dependencies is far more difficult than it needs to be. >there is no language that is devoid of shortcomings So we should just silence all criticism like a dictatorship? >as it has no bearing on anything practical that you are doing/will do. Are you saying no python user has to deploy their application ever? If that's what you really mean then your comment is just pure trolling.
octocop 7y ago
How about you address what was invalid in the comment instead of asking to ignore it
void445be54d48a 7y ago
Once again python is a great language, but the language itself is not the core issue with python

saagarjha 7y ago

> the entire comment could have just been 1 line "We need official support for a modern package management system, from the Python org itself." I personally would consider this to be a strictly worse comment because it does not go into detail about what’s lacking like the parent comment does.

Chris2048 7y ago

> the author seems to have some personal issues with the language given the generally frustrated tone of the comment What "personal issues" do you think the author has? The frustrated tone comes from the frustrations the author explicitly outlines; unless you think this shouldn't be so, you are turning this into an ad-hom. > the entire comment could have just been 1 line "We need official support for a modern package management system, from the Python org itself." Why? because you don't appreciate the detail on why we need such a thing? These issues certainly get in the way of producing production apps; not in the sense that they make it impossible, but they make the process harder and slower than it needs to be.

rezeroed 7y ago

I actually quite liked that post. I use python maybe once a year or less, and don't enjoy the experience. That post distinguished some of the details which in my rare usage I see simply as a gloopy mess.

imtringued 7y ago

Package management isn't a personal issue. Deploying python applications alongside their dependencies is far more difficult than it needs to be. >there is no language that is devoid of shortcomings So we should just silence all criticism like a dictatorship? >as it has no bearing on anything practical that you are doing/will do. Are you saying no python user has to deploy their application ever? If that's what you really mean then your comment is just pure trolling.

octocop 7y ago

How about you address what was invalid in the comment instead of asking to ignore it

void445be54d48a 7y ago

Once again python is a great language, but the language itself is not the core issue with python