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Marvin Minsky https://www.theverge.com/2019/8/9/20798900/marvin-minsky-jeffrey-epstein-sex-trafficking-island-court-records-unsealed https://www.theverge.com/20

• 4ad 7y ago
  Thanks!
• whymauri 7y ago
  literally heartbreaking
  • primroot 7y ago
    Heartbreaking, but at this point it does not really surprise that people of highly regarded intellect and achievement indulge in such horrible practices while most people around them turn a blind eye. On the other hand we should be wondering if our black and white view of the subject and all the rhetoric about "monsters" only helps promote silence. I believe humanizing the evildoers keeps the rest of humans aware that they too can be evildoers and perhaps backtrack and speak out more easily when they are on the fence. Edit: Added "and perhaps ..." at the end.
  • lobotryas 7y ago
    It’s only an accusation. It will be up to the justice system to determine if it holds any water (innocent unless..., right?). Terrible for Marvin’s reputation though.
    • heymijo 7y ago
      The injustice, is that this very much appears to be a situation where "everyone knew" but no one did anything. So okay, maybe Minsky, Clinton, Trump, or whoever didn't actually rape an underage girl or engage in sex trafficking. But they knew. That's disgusting. If someone is going to tell you that someone of Bill Clinton's magnitude doesn't know exactly who the person is whose private island he is a guest at--then that person is full of shit. Powerful people do their due diligence. P.S. pardon my tone. I know that's out of spirit for HN, but this case...I am mad.
      • Nasrudith 7y ago
        Who says that they actually knew about it? If they just went around telling literally everyone that sounds like a way to get busted even as a low level drug dealer - let alone as a comparative nobody vs a big name - especially with secret service protection. From the perspective of a criminal blackmailer it would make far more sense to probe interests first before getting into it.
        • aiyodev 7y ago
          If they visited Epstein's island, they knew. You might assume “Pedophile Island” is some cheeky name that the press came up with. But, no, that’s actually it’s name. The people who lived there called it that. If someone went to the island, they had to know.
          • ryacko 7y ago
            “Airport workers say they saw teens traveling with Jeffrey Epstein to and from his private island in the Caribbean” Actual title of a news article. This is the state of modern journalism, no one confirming a commonly known rumor until the guy is arrested. It takes a village to raise a child, but a nation to ignore it.
          • flycaliguy 7y ago
            Clinton and Trump never visited the island. This man was a bullshitter and no doubt he exaggerated the scale of powerful friendships he had.
            • aiyodev 7y ago
              Clinton visited the island. New documents were unsealed yesterday: > Bill Clinton: The former president visited Epstein’s private island while Giuffre was there, she claims in one of her depositions. Giuffre stated that Epstein held a dinner for Clinton on the island. (In a statement previously made to Forbes, Clinton denied ever visiting Epstein’s private island.) https://www.forbes.com/sites/lisettevoytko/2019/08/09/unsealed-jeffrey-epstein-documents-list-new-allegations-against-powerful-men/amp/ https://www.forbes.com/sites/lisettevoytko/2019/08/09/unseal...
    • nradov 7y ago
      The criminal justice system obviously isn't going to put Minsky's corpse on trial. There won't be any legal determination made. It might be possible for the victim to sue his estate in civil court but the odds of success there seem low.
    • JKCalhoun 7y ago
      Certainly a reminder that hero worship is misguided. People are flawed — some more than others.
• JKCalhoun 7y ago
  I failed to post this the other day (already submitted). Searched HN and it was not here. Probably marked off-topic or similar. When I called it out on an unrelated thread my comment was flagged. I don't see a mechanism on HN to refute "off-topic" posts. Marvin Minsky's relationship with Epstein was not of interest to HN readers but Epstein's death is? Mystifies me…
  • smacktoward 7y ago
    It was submitted several times, and instantly flagged to death each time. Disappointing.
    • tossAfterUsing 7y ago
      It's become clear (to me) over the years that HN, despite it's apparent simplicity, is well curated by astroturfers.
    • deleted 7y ago
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    • Fjolsvith 7y ago
      That's the HN shadow banning.