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This happened hours after the latest tranche of documents were made public, documents that named names. Unfortunately for this community, one of our MIT heros

This happened hours after the latest tranche of documents were made public, documents that named names. Unfortunately for this community, one of our MIT heros was on that list. Don't even know what to say.

4ad 7y ago
Who was that MIT hero? Do you have a source? Thanks.
- JanSt 7y ago
  Marvin Minsky https://www.theverge.com/2019/8/9/20798900/marvin-minsky-jeffrey-epstein-sex-trafficking-island-court-records-unsealed https://www.theverge.com/2019/8/9/20798900/marvin-minsky-jef...
  - 4ad 7y ago
    Thanks!
  - whymauri 7y ago
    literally heartbreaking
    - primroot 7y ago
      Heartbreaking, but at this point it does not really surprise that people of highly regarded intellect and achievement indulge in such horrible practices while most people around them turn a blind eye. On the other hand we should be wondering if our black and white view of the subject and all the rhetoric about "monsters" only helps promote silence. I believe humanizing the evildoers keeps the rest of humans aware that they too can be evildoers and perhaps backtrack and speak out more easily when they are on the fence. Edit: Added "and perhaps ..." at the end.
    - lobotryas 7y ago
      It’s only an accusation. It will be up to the justice system to determine if it holds any water (innocent unless..., right?). Terrible for Marvin’s reputation though.
      - heymijo 7y ago
        The injustice, is that this very much appears to be a situation where "everyone knew" but no one did anything. So okay, maybe Minsky, Clinton, Trump, or whoever didn't actually rape an underage girl or engage in sex trafficking. But they knew. That's disgusting. If someone is going to tell you that someone of Bill Clinton's magnitude doesn't know exactly who the person is whose private island he is a guest at--then that person is full of shit. Powerful people do their due diligence. P.S. pardon my tone. I know that's out of spirit for HN, but this case...I am mad.
        Nasrudith 7y ago
        Who says that they actually knew about it? If they just went around telling literally everyone that sounds like a way to get busted even as a low level drug dealer - let alone as a comparative nobody vs a big name - especially with secret service protection. From the perspective of a criminal blackmailer it would make far more sense to probe interests first before getting into it.
        aiyodev 7y ago
        If they visited Epstein's island, they knew. You might assume “Pedophile Island” is some cheeky name that the press came up with. But, no, that’s actually it’s name. The people who lived there called it that. If someone went to the island, they had to know.
        ryacko 7y ago
        “Airport workers say they saw teens traveling with Jeffrey Epstein to and from his private island in the Caribbean” Actual title of a news article. This is the state of modern journalism, no one confirming a commonly known rumor until the guy is arrested. It takes a village to raise a child, but a nation to ignore it.
  - JKCalhoun 7y ago
    I failed to post this the other day (already submitted). Searched HN and it was not here. Probably marked off-topic or similar. When I called it out on an unrelated thread my comment was flagged. I don't see a mechanism on HN to refute "off-topic" posts. Marvin Minsky's relationship with Epstein was not of interest to HN readers but Epstein's death is? Mystifies me…
    - smacktoward 7y ago
      It was submitted several times, and instantly flagged to death each time. Disappointing.
      - tossAfterUsing 7y ago
        It's become clear (to me) over the years that HN, despite it's apparent simplicity, is well curated by astroturfers.
      - deleted 7y ago
        [deleted]
      - Fjolsvith 7y ago
        That's the HN shadow banning.
MobileVet 7y ago
Source please... I want to see the names, ALL of the names.
- deleted 7y ago
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voldacar 7y ago
Is there a link to the primary source? All I can find are news media articles

4ad 7y ago

Who was that MIT hero? Do you have a source? Thanks.

JanSt 7y ago
Marvin Minsky https://www.theverge.com/2019/8/9/20798900/marvin-minsky-jeffrey-epstein-sex-trafficking-island-court-records-unsealed https://www.theverge.com/2019/8/9/20798900/marvin-minsky-jef...
- 4ad 7y ago
  Thanks!
- whymauri 7y ago
  literally heartbreaking
  - primroot 7y ago
    Heartbreaking, but at this point it does not really surprise that people of highly regarded intellect and achievement indulge in such horrible practices while most people around them turn a blind eye. On the other hand we should be wondering if our black and white view of the subject and all the rhetoric about "monsters" only helps promote silence. I believe humanizing the evildoers keeps the rest of humans aware that they too can be evildoers and perhaps backtrack and speak out more easily when they are on the fence. Edit: Added "and perhaps ..." at the end.
  - lobotryas 7y ago
    It’s only an accusation. It will be up to the justice system to determine if it holds any water (innocent unless..., right?). Terrible for Marvin’s reputation though.
    - heymijo 7y ago
      The injustice, is that this very much appears to be a situation where "everyone knew" but no one did anything. So okay, maybe Minsky, Clinton, Trump, or whoever didn't actually rape an underage girl or engage in sex trafficking. But they knew. That's disgusting. If someone is going to tell you that someone of Bill Clinton's magnitude doesn't know exactly who the person is whose private island he is a guest at--then that person is full of shit. Powerful people do their due diligence. P.S. pardon my tone. I know that's out of spirit for HN, but this case...I am mad.
      - Nasrudith 7y ago
        Who says that they actually knew about it? If they just went around telling literally everyone that sounds like a way to get busted even as a low level drug dealer - let alone as a comparative nobody vs a big name - especially with secret service protection. From the perspective of a criminal blackmailer it would make far more sense to probe interests first before getting into it.
        aiyodev 7y ago
        If they visited Epstein's island, they knew. You might assume “Pedophile Island” is some cheeky name that the press came up with. But, no, that’s actually it’s name. The people who lived there called it that. If someone went to the island, they had to know.
        ryacko 7y ago
        “Airport workers say they saw teens traveling with Jeffrey Epstein to and from his private island in the Caribbean” Actual title of a news article. This is the state of modern journalism, no one confirming a commonly known rumor until the guy is arrested. It takes a village to raise a child, but a nation to ignore it.
- JKCalhoun 7y ago
  I failed to post this the other day (already submitted). Searched HN and it was not here. Probably marked off-topic or similar. When I called it out on an unrelated thread my comment was flagged. I don't see a mechanism on HN to refute "off-topic" posts. Marvin Minsky's relationship with Epstein was not of interest to HN readers but Epstein's death is? Mystifies me…
  - smacktoward 7y ago
    It was submitted several times, and instantly flagged to death each time. Disappointing.
    - tossAfterUsing 7y ago
      It's become clear (to me) over the years that HN, despite it's apparent simplicity, is well curated by astroturfers.
    - deleted 7y ago
      [deleted]
    - Fjolsvith 7y ago
      That's the HN shadow banning.

MobileVet 7y ago

Source please... I want to see the names, ALL of the names.

deleted 7y ago
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voldacar 7y ago

Is there a link to the primary source? All I can find are news media articles