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"To protect freedom"? That is the US catch-all argument and doesn't really say much. Whose freedom, from / for what, and what about other factors? To me from W

"To protect freedom"? That is the US catch-all argument and doesn't really say much. Whose freedom, from / for what, and what about other factors? To me from Western Europe the state and corporations are... comparable to families and sports clubs. Nobody would want to merge them for tons of reasons including personal freedom (here: separation of public and private spheres), effectiveness, responsiveness, avoidance of conflicts of interest etc. But coordination makes sense. Something I have noticed about large Asian companies is that there is much less in-fighting between parts of the organization, which can make up for other disadvantages they may have. In large Western corporations it seems to be everyone against everyone in mid-level management. At the lowest level it mostly looks like inexplicable inefficiencies and stupidities.

xxxpupugo 7y ago
> large Asian companies is that there is much less in-fighting between parts of the organization Not true. My observations are opposite, however, I am not disapproving what you said, but I don't think there is a conclusion to make. However, if you prove yourself as a capable strongman that doesn't take objections, then in Asian companies, under the certain circumstances/directives, I believe you can have much more dictating power over your subordinates, which can go to great extent to have them sacrifice all other aspects of their life except work. For example, Tencent carries out a stunt to have its staff run a 24 hour 2 shifts schedule to deliver PUBG on the mobile devices, to beat its competitors on speed, which I don't think is possible in Western countries. source: https://xw.qq.com/cmsid/20171212A0E8UP https://xw.qq.com/cmsid/20171212A0E8UP
- seanmcdirmid 7y ago
  Isn’t Tencent also infamous for running teams against each other by having them build competing products?
- ahartmetz 7y ago
  Maybe Asia (I actually meant CJK) is an overgeneralization. I have worked with Korean companies and I have friends who are employed by Japanese companies.
- dirtyid 7y ago
  Video game crunch in western companies sounds comparably bad TBH. Search for all the drama around unending crunch hell of Fortnight development. If anything 997 seems to formalize and provide and at least provides upper limit on exploitation.
  - JetSpiegel 7y ago
    Should this be "996", or is this a new thing where there's not even one day off?
fit2rule 7y ago
>Freedom Freedom for the government to do what it wants with the help of corporations, and for individuals to decide to join those activities and participate freely.

xxxpupugo 7y ago

> large Asian companies is that there is much less in-fighting between parts of the organization Not true. My observations are opposite, however, I am not disapproving what you said, but I don't think there is a conclusion to make. However, if you prove yourself as a capable strongman that doesn't take objections, then in Asian companies, under the certain circumstances/directives, I believe you can have much more dictating power over your subordinates, which can go to great extent to have them sacrifice all other aspects of their life except work. For example, Tencent carries out a stunt to have its staff run a 24 hour 2 shifts schedule to deliver PUBG on the mobile devices, to beat its competitors on speed, which I don't think is possible in Western countries. source: https://xw.qq.com/cmsid/20171212A0E8UP https://xw.qq.com/cmsid/20171212A0E8UP

seanmcdirmid 7y ago
Isn’t Tencent also infamous for running teams against each other by having them build competing products?
ahartmetz 7y ago
Maybe Asia (I actually meant CJK) is an overgeneralization. I have worked with Korean companies and I have friends who are employed by Japanese companies.
dirtyid 7y ago
Video game crunch in western companies sounds comparably bad TBH. Search for all the drama around unending crunch hell of Fortnight development. If anything 997 seems to formalize and provide and at least provides upper limit on exploitation.
- JetSpiegel 7y ago
  Should this be "996", or is this a new thing where there's not even one day off?

fit2rule 7y ago

>Freedom Freedom for the government to do what it wants with the help of corporations, and for individuals to decide to join those activities and participate freely.