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The concept of state and corporation should be separate to protect freedom is really a US phenomenon or ideal. In East Asia, the Japanese model, that later ado
by xxxpupugo 7y ago
The concept of state and corporation should be separate to protect freedom is really a US phenomenon or ideal.
In East Asia, the Japanese model, that later adopted by both South Korea and China, relies on the exact opposite. The government directly involves in guiding and shaping the economy. And they are smart in doing so, with the corporations being their vehicles to implement its policy and they are ones to picking the winners. So it is not like Planned Economy like the Soviets did, instead they are trying to embrace and take advantage of the market to better advance its objectives. Instead, here in US, corporations are more sensitive and faster than the government to propose new economic initiatives, while government just sits aside as the shepherd to prevent disasters.
If you ever being able to read material from CJK countries, the government in general has a much bigger power and responsibility, and when problem happens, the societies' instinct is to push the government to act on it.
But Huawei might be still a special case among of these. It is a weird company though, which doesn't need to respond to its share holders and yet participating actively in open and competitive markets.
- zaro 7y ago> The concept of state and corporation should be separate to protect freedom is really a US phenomenon or ideal. Not even in US this phenomenon is very strong. US protects its corporations with political and military means all the time, so I am not sure what separation you are talking about. In words there mightbbe some pretense for separation, but actions show otherwise.
- LudwigNagasena 7y agoSimilar concepts existed in Europe in various forms such as dirigisme, Fascism, Keynesian economics, the German post-war model.
- ahartmetz 7y ago"To protect freedom"? That is the US catch-all argument and doesn't really say much. Whose freedom, from / for what, and what about other factors? To me from Western Europe the state and corporations are... comparable to families and sports clubs. Nobody would want to merge them for tons of reasons including personal freedom (here: separation of public and private spheres), effectiveness, responsiveness, avoidance of conflicts of interest etc. But coordination makes sense. Something I have noticed about large Asian companies is that there is much less in-fighting between parts of the organization, which can make up for other disadvantages they may have. In large Western corporations it seems to be everyone against everyone in mid-level management. At the lowest level it mostly looks like inexplicable inefficiencies and stupidities.
- xxxpupugo 7y ago> large Asian companies is that there is much less in-fighting between parts of the organization Not true. My observations are opposite, however, I am not disapproving what you said, but I don't think there is a conclusion to make. However, if you prove yourself as a capable strongman that doesn't take objections, then in Asian companies, under the certain circumstances/directives, I believe you can have much more dictating power over your subordinates, which can go to great extent to have them sacrifice all other aspects of their life except work. For example, Tencent carries out a stunt to have its staff run a 24 hour 2 shifts schedule to deliver PUBG on the mobile devices, to beat its competitors on speed, which I don't think is possible in Western countries. source: https://xw.qq.com/cmsid/20171212A0E8UP https://xw.qq.com/cmsid/20171212A0E8UP
- seanmcdirmid 7y agoIsn’t Tencent also infamous for running teams against each other by having them build competing products?
- ahartmetz 7y agoMaybe Asia (I actually meant CJK) is an overgeneralization. I have worked with Korean companies and I have friends who are employed by Japanese companies.
- dirtyid 7y agoVideo game crunch in western companies sounds comparably bad TBH. Search for all the drama around unending crunch hell of Fortnight development. If anything 997 seems to formalize and provide and at least provides upper limit on exploitation.
- JetSpiegel 7y agoShould this be "996", or is this a new thing where there's not even one day off?
- fit2rule 7y ago>Freedom Freedom for the government to do what it wants with the help of corporations, and for individuals to decide to join those activities and participate freely.
- roguesherlock 7y agoWhat's interesting to me is, even with this construct in place, the government can still intervene if they'd like. So, isn't it just a facade ? At least with china, I clearly know what I'm getting into (albeit not a good thing).