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Patterns on goods designed to trigger Automated License Plate Readers
- IshKebab 7y agoYeah I doubt it, unless they're retroreflective and you're in the habit or running down roads.
- gattilorenz 7y agoWell in plain sunlight it should work OK. The problem is the plate numbers are limited, you are not injecting random data, just repetitive data.
- shoo 7y agoIf you got two different shirts displaying two different plates, you could flip a coin each morning to decide which one to wear before starting your daily jog down the freeway. Guaranteed randomly sampled data
- Xylakant 7y agoI think the parent wanted to point out that it’s fairly trivial to blacklist the plates on these shirts and thus remove the injected data. The number of available plates on the shirts is limited, likely they’re not valid plates either.
- jtbayly 7y agoThis would imply the ability to get your own plate blacklisted.
- ocdtrekkie 7y agoThat would only really work for the distributor of these shirts, as it would add enough random/inaccurate data to make the real data meaningless. If you made your own with your plate on it, it'd just help the cops identify where you were even when not in your car. It's very unlikely, unless you mass distributed a shirt with your plate, that you could inject enough junk data for your plate to make distinguishing the real data impossible. And while junk plates may add a tiny bit of additional data storage, it's unlikely to actually disadvantage the cops in any way pulling up the data they want on real cars. They have no real reason to blacklist a plate just because someone put it on a shirt.
- harimau777 7y agoIt would likely be more expensive, but it seems plausible that it would be possible to manufacture shirts that each have a random license plate number. That would at least make it so that they would have to make the blacklisting local to the area where a given shirt owner regularly travels.
- marcus_holmes 7y agoindividually would be prohibitive, but specifying a different set of plates on each order from the supplier shouldn't be too hard. The printing is done digitally anyway, as long as the cuts don't change it should be trivial to specify a new pattern. disclaimer: I have very little idea about the details, I've just advised startups that got clothing manufactured offshore.
- bookofjoe 7y agoThe not so random coin toss: https://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=1697475 https://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=169747...
- shoo 7y agoit is still random, it just samples from a slightly different distribution to the uniform distribution over coin-sides. for purposes of jogging down the freeway tagged like a car, the lack of perfectly uniform sampling probably ain't at the top of the list of issues
- glloydell 7y agoIf you're gonna put a target on your back, this seems like a solid way to go about it.
- lixtra 7y agoIf we think like this, we are either paranoid or already live in a totalitarian society.
- cam_l 7y agoIt's a thin line.
- zonidjan 7y agoWe already do.
- rootusrootus 7y agoThere are plenty of paranoid people. We have a ways to go before we reach authoritarian.
- solstice 7y agoRelevant xkcd: https://xkcd.com/1105/ https://xkcd.com/1105/
- DennisP 7y agoSolution: coordinate 128 people to get license plates in all combinations of 1s and Is, on identical vehicles.
- asdff 7y agoThose plateholders that you can only view the plate from straight on were pretty popular for a time.
- u35517 7y agoThese t-shirts will look nice when they make versions addressing Automated Face Readers.
- LoSboccacc 7y agoi dont have a link to the paper but there's patterns already on sale https://ih0.redbubble.net/image.310496356.4049/gptr%2Cx900%2Cfront%2Cblack-c%2C200%2C205%2C210%2C230-bg%2Cf8f8f8.lite-1u2.jpg https://ih0.redbubble.net/image.310496356.4049/gptr%2Cx900%2...
- XaspR8d 7y agoThat particular pattern looks like it came out of the Hyperface project.[1] Also here's an actual purchaseable link at RedBubble [2]. No affiliation with the seller (nor does it look like they're connected to the original project). [1] https://ahprojects.com/hyperface/ https://ahprojects.com/hyperface/ [2] https://www.redbubble.com/people/naamiko/works/24714049-anti-surveillance-clothing?p=mens-graphic-t-shirt&ref=available_products_swiper https://www.redbubble.com/people/naamiko/works/24714049-anti...
- zachrose 7y agoThat’s what the Juggalo makeup is for
- driverdan 7y agoCheck out https://www.reflectacles.com/ https://www.reflectacles.com/
- fnord77 7y agowas thinking about some sort of product line of eyewear or mask that would mess with facial recognition. wonder if people would purchase it if it wasn't too obnoxious.
- lolc 7y agoIt's called "sunglasses".
- i_am_proteus 7y agoTypical sunglasses do not hide your face from facial recognition!
- harimau777 7y agoThat would likely run into problems with anti-mask laws. However, it might be possible to either skirt around it with socially acceptable masks (e.g. smog masks) or to get away with it if one is a member of a more privileged group. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anti-mask_laws https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anti-mask_laws
- kurthr 7y agoUltra bright LEDs + Battery unless their cameras have great IR filters (usually not).
- davedx 7y agoEchoes of William Gibson's Pattern Recognition book.
- taneq 7y agoAnother similar project: https://cvdazzle.com/ https://cvdazzle.com/
- Lt_Riza_Hawkeye 7y agoThat site claims that OpenCV is a facial detection algorithm...
- dymk 7y agoIt’s simply claiming that it implements one...
- tomc1985 7y agocvdazzle is several years old, is that style still effective?
- Tomminn 7y agoHa: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=15606675 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=15606675 (2017)
- bookofjoe 7y agoSure hope you did it!
- nabla9 7y agohttps://i.redd.it/lhg8owl4pkz21.jpg https://i.redd.it/lhg8owl4pkz21.jpg
- soulofmischief 7y agoCheck out Dazzle, it might interest you. https://cvdazzle.com/ https://cvdazzle.com/
- vmh1928 7y agoWith a digital license plate it should be possible to display a random number or no number while in those locations(work or mall parking lots, your driveway, etc.,) where there is no legal requirement to show the plate number. Alternatively the digital plate could be configured to flash the plate number at an interval longer than the typical plate reader vehicle takes to pass your parked vehicle. That would at least cut down on the capture rate of government and auto loan companies that cruise parking lots which is a good portion of all scanning activity. Unless the digital plate is reporting it's location via cell network.
- gorbypark 7y agoI was just thinking the other day that we need to have e-ink based license plates. The plate number could be generated and changed every n minutes. There would have to be a government run system that would be able to link the generated number to the owner of the car, but hopefully there'd be some checks, balances and logging on the use of it (ie: a warrant would be required, etc). It wouldn't prevent a government from abusing it, but at least private companies scanning activities would be rendered null.
- Fnoord 7y agoDo you believe governments will accept it when license plates are merely able to be turned off digitally? You could argue, they won't find out.
- exabrial 7y agoA week ago I was sitting at work and a civilian car drove by the office window with a plate reader system and went up and down every row of cars in our parking lot. The car was obviously trespassing, you can't be on the property unless you're a tenant or guest. But due to the spongy ethics of tech companies, I'm sure my license plate is uploaded to some database and people know exactly where I work and what time I'm away from my house.
- segmondy 7y agoI have seen this in my office parking lot. I speculate that they upload and match against cars behind payment, then contact the repo men.
- acdha 7y agoDoes your office or property management company hire someone to do parking enforcement or security? It would not surprise me to learn that they’re subcontracting the task of identifying cars which aren’t on a list somewhere.
- exabrial 7y agoDefinitely not. This is a pretty cheap rental.
- ericcumbee 7y agoits most likely a tow company looking for repos.
- exabrial 7y agoI need an lcd bumper sticker that displays these randomly very quickly.
- bredren 7y agoSomeone tested this shirt out on EasyALPR Parking Enforcer a recently and it did scan. (I’m putting EasyALPR through Startup School right now) I was wondering about it—-though it was only tested against the image of the shirt, I suspect it would be picked up at close enough range. Most of my work is creating great workflow for handling incorrect or unwanted data gathered using alpr on iOS. If you were waltzing through a the parking lot of one of my commercial property customers and a patroller somehow scanned you—-some admin later that day might frown for a few moments before marking the “vehicle sighting” invalid.
- JoeAltmaier 7y agoAlways been a dicey business. I'd worked on one back in the 80's(!) and the issue then was, bumper stickers that had the same aspect ration as a license plate. Plus license plate frames (which must by law not cover any part of the plate with info on them, but often do anyway).
- chiph 7y agoGet a shirt with Washington DC license plate 800 002 (Presidential limo)
- dwighttk 7y agohow does this help unless the license plates are valid? And multiple people have your plate on their shirt and are walking in front of readers all across the country?