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It isn’t just detective work, it is personnel with the skills to identify and pursue likely evidence. Digital forensics is way outside typical leo training and

It isn’t just detective work, it is personnel with the skills to identify and pursue likely evidence. Digital forensics is way outside typical leo training and believe it or not you can make a lot more money in the private sector with IT training. Local, state and federal case loads get backlogged behind, leaving the highest priority cases to get staffed.

pdkl95 7y ago
> Digital forensics is way outside typical leo training That's the problem: attempting to prevent important new technology (actually-secure encryption) from being used is not a substitute for updated training that provides "typical leo" with digital forensics skills that are increasingly needed. Susan Landau's 2016 testimony before the House Judiciary Committee regarding Apple's encryption on the San Bernardino shooter's iphone: >> "Instead of embracing the communications and device security we so badly need for securing US public and private data, law enforcement continues to press hard to undermine security in the misguided desire to preserve simple, but outdated, investigative techniques." >> "We need 21st century techniques to secure the data that 21st century enemies—organized crime and nation-state attackers—seek to steal and exploit. Twentieth century approaches that provide law enforcement with the ability to investigate but also simplify exploitations and attacks are not in our national security interest. Instead of laws and regulation that weaken our protections, we should enable law enforcement to develop 21st century capabilities for conducting investigations." >> "Developing such capabilities will involve deep changed for the Bureau, which remains agent-based, not technology-based."
- wool_gather 7y ago
  While this is easy to agree to broadly, what exactly does she intend that these "technology-based 21st century capabilities" are? If she's talking about something like PRISM, are we going to be any happier with that solution?
  - class4behavior 7y ago
    That would contradict with her overall disagreement on backdoors in encryption systems. I think, she was referring to classic investigative measures using modern tools and infrastructure.
weberc2 7y ago
What stops LEO from contracting with a digital forensic company or consultancy?
- chii 7y ago
  Cost and scalability. LEA and agencies cannot use these resources enmass, and yet they want the results of such.
- bredren 7y ago
  They do this at the federal level a lot and there is a lot of money in it.
- deleted 7y ago
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- dillonmckay 7y ago
  Thompson Reuters provides ICE with information for immigration enforcement.
soulofmischief 7y ago
I wonder if this would be true if the War on Drugs did not exist. Or if the CIA hadn't played a large role in spreading crack cocaine throughout Los Angeles to fund a proxy war with Iran, leading to a massive criminal element and subsequent rapid militarization of police and refocusing of FBI, CIA and police resources towards non-violent, victimless crimes.

pdkl95 7y ago

> Digital forensics is way outside typical leo training That's the problem: attempting to prevent important new technology (actually-secure encryption) from being used is not a substitute for updated training that provides "typical leo" with digital forensics skills that are increasingly needed. Susan Landau's 2016 testimony before the House Judiciary Committee regarding Apple's encryption on the San Bernardino shooter's iphone: >> "Instead of embracing the communications and device security we so badly need for securing US public and private data, law enforcement continues to press hard to undermine security in the misguided desire to preserve simple, but outdated, investigative techniques." >> "We need 21st century techniques to secure the data that 21st century enemies—organized crime and nation-state attackers—seek to steal and exploit. Twentieth century approaches that provide law enforcement with the ability to investigate but also simplify exploitations and attacks are not in our national security interest. Instead of laws and regulation that weaken our protections, we should enable law enforcement to develop 21st century capabilities for conducting investigations." >> "Developing such capabilities will involve deep changed for the Bureau, which remains agent-based, not technology-based."

wool_gather 7y ago
While this is easy to agree to broadly, what exactly does she intend that these "technology-based 21st century capabilities" are? If she's talking about something like PRISM, are we going to be any happier with that solution?
- class4behavior 7y ago
  That would contradict with her overall disagreement on backdoors in encryption systems. I think, she was referring to classic investigative measures using modern tools and infrastructure.

weberc2 7y ago

What stops LEO from contracting with a digital forensic company or consultancy?

chii 7y ago
Cost and scalability. LEA and agencies cannot use these resources enmass, and yet they want the results of such.
bredren 7y ago
They do this at the federal level a lot and there is a lot of money in it.
deleted 7y ago
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dillonmckay 7y ago
Thompson Reuters provides ICE with information for immigration enforcement.

soulofmischief 7y ago

I wonder if this would be true if the War on Drugs did not exist. Or if the CIA hadn't played a large role in spreading crack cocaine throughout Los Angeles to fund a proxy war with Iran, leading to a massive criminal element and subsequent rapid militarization of police and refocusing of FBI, CIA and police resources towards non-violent, victimless crimes.