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I am not suggesting he is correct, I am simply pointing out that if your job is to arrest people with outstanding warrants, how would you go about it? (again, i

I am not suggesting he is correct, I am simply pointing out that if your job is to arrest people with outstanding warrants, how would you go about it? (again, if you were a robot) Can a robot be racist?

mikeyouse 7y ago
Gross. God that New Yorker article was onto something.
JeremyBanks 7y ago
It sure sounds like it, RobotRoberts.
inetknght 7y ago
> if your job is to arrest people with outstanding warrants, how would you go about it? How about: go to their place of residence and knock on their door? Or: go to their place of work and knock on the door? After those have failed, try getting a wiretap warrant for their telecom devices. Only after you've got that wiretap warrant, locate them and arrest there. You know... the stuff that law enforcement is _supposed_ to be doing... Following a vehicle whose license plate, or its owner, is associated with outstanding crimes makes sense. Following a random vehicle which has not yet committed a crime is wrong. Following a vehicle because it has black people in it is illegal, unethical, and racist. Following a vehicle because an occupant shows up on a face search database should be morally reprehensible for the very same reasons.
- RobertRoberts 7y ago
  Robots will do all those things you suggest simultaneously, and watch every street with cameras, scan faces at every store, pull over cars remotely, turn off your power in your house, get your fired from your job, etc... This is better than racist cops? By being outraged at one cop's admission of a short cut to finding people who are due in court we are bringing the abomination of robots down on our heads.
  - inetknght 7y ago
    > Robots will do all those things you suggest simultaneously, and And... humanity needs to have a serious discussion about the merits and risks of all of that before we rush to deploy AI.
  - anigbrowl 7y ago
    This is a really lame argument you're making, and your trolly style isn't helping you.
    - coupdetaco 7y ago
      Is it moral to push the fat guy off the bridge to stop a trolly a save a crowd of people?
      - adventured 7y ago
        No, it's still wrong, immoral, to kill that innocent person to save the crowd of people. You may, however, still choose to do it anyway, knowing full well that it's immoral. If killing one innocent person will somehow magically save one million, that too is immoral. And I'd kill that one person to save the million regardless, accepting that it is an immoral act. It's a worthwhile thing to live with, to save so many. Obviously this is in the land of outlandish hypotheticals. Non-the-less, the morality is just the same if the ratio is 1 to 10, 1 to 100, or 1 to one million: intentionally killing - murdering - an innocent person is immoral in all circumstances.
        kmlx 7y ago
        c’mon guys, this is the old trolley dilemma: https://www.google.co.uk/amp/s/amp.iflscience.com/editors-blog/trolley-dilemma-would-you-kill-one-person-save-five/ https://www.google.co.uk/amp/s/amp.iflscience.com/editors-bl...
    - RobertRoberts 7y ago
      My point was that people aren't looking for a real solution, they are just outraged irrationally about current events and not seeing how the masses are being steered towards a worse result than they currently have.
jedberg 7y ago
> Can a robot be racist? Yes, it most certainly can. It can use the same priors that people use to be racist. In fact, it usually amplifies the racism of its training data.
- runlevel1 7y ago
  Can, and has. [^1] These are the documented instances, but it can be difficult to determine when such systems are being used in the first place: Muckrock and Rutgers have been asking governing bodies (via FOIA) whether they're using automated decision-making systems and, if so, how. Many reject their request. [^2] The practice of "parallel construction" could further conceal their use. [1]: https://www.newscientist.com/article/2166207-discriminating-algorithms-5-times-ai-showed-prejudice/ https://www.newscientist.com/article/2166207-discriminating-... [2]: https://www.muckrock.com/foi/list/?projects=84 https://www.muckrock.com/foi/list/?projects=84

mikeyouse 7y ago

Gross. God that New Yorker article was onto something.

JeremyBanks 7y ago

It sure sounds like it, RobotRoberts.

inetknght 7y ago

> if your job is to arrest people with outstanding warrants, how would you go about it? How about: go to their place of residence and knock on their door? Or: go to their place of work and knock on the door? After those have failed, try getting a wiretap warrant for their telecom devices. Only after you've got that wiretap warrant, locate them and arrest there. You know... the stuff that law enforcement is _supposed_ to be doing... Following a vehicle whose license plate, or its owner, is associated with outstanding crimes makes sense. Following a random vehicle which has not yet committed a crime is wrong. Following a vehicle because it has black people in it is illegal, unethical, and racist. Following a vehicle because an occupant shows up on a face search database should be morally reprehensible for the very same reasons.

RobertRoberts 7y ago
Robots will do all those things you suggest simultaneously, and watch every street with cameras, scan faces at every store, pull over cars remotely, turn off your power in your house, get your fired from your job, etc... This is better than racist cops? By being outraged at one cop's admission of a short cut to finding people who are due in court we are bringing the abomination of robots down on our heads.
- inetknght 7y ago
  > Robots will do all those things you suggest simultaneously, and And... humanity needs to have a serious discussion about the merits and risks of all of that before we rush to deploy AI.
- anigbrowl 7y ago
  This is a really lame argument you're making, and your trolly style isn't helping you.
  - coupdetaco 7y ago
    Is it moral to push the fat guy off the bridge to stop a trolly a save a crowd of people?
    - adventured 7y ago
      No, it's still wrong, immoral, to kill that innocent person to save the crowd of people. You may, however, still choose to do it anyway, knowing full well that it's immoral. If killing one innocent person will somehow magically save one million, that too is immoral. And I'd kill that one person to save the million regardless, accepting that it is an immoral act. It's a worthwhile thing to live with, to save so many. Obviously this is in the land of outlandish hypotheticals. Non-the-less, the morality is just the same if the ratio is 1 to 10, 1 to 100, or 1 to one million: intentionally killing - murdering - an innocent person is immoral in all circumstances.
      - kmlx 7y ago
        c’mon guys, this is the old trolley dilemma: https://www.google.co.uk/amp/s/amp.iflscience.com/editors-blog/trolley-dilemma-would-you-kill-one-person-save-five/ https://www.google.co.uk/amp/s/amp.iflscience.com/editors-bl...
  - RobertRoberts 7y ago
    My point was that people aren't looking for a real solution, they are just outraged irrationally about current events and not seeing how the masses are being steered towards a worse result than they currently have.

jedberg 7y ago

> Can a robot be racist? Yes, it most certainly can. It can use the same priors that people use to be racist. In fact, it usually amplifies the racism of its training data.

runlevel1 7y ago
Can, and has. [^1] These are the documented instances, but it can be difficult to determine when such systems are being used in the first place: Muckrock and Rutgers have been asking governing bodies (via FOIA) whether they're using automated decision-making systems and, if so, how. Many reject their request. [^2] The practice of "parallel construction" could further conceal their use. [1]: https://www.newscientist.com/article/2166207-discriminating-algorithms-5-times-ai-showed-prejudice/ https://www.newscientist.com/article/2166207-discriminating-... [2]: https://www.muckrock.com/foi/list/?projects=84 https://www.muckrock.com/foi/list/?projects=84