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I Paid a Bribe

146 points by albertsun 16y ago

jat850 16y ago
Is there some sort of context missing to go along with this? It's an interesting enough site, but I don't get it completely.
- nbpoole 16y ago
  http://www.ipaidabribe.com/node/77 http://www.ipaidabribe.com/node/77 IpaidABribe.com is Janaagraha’s unique initiative to tackle corruption by harnessing the collective energy of citizens. You can report on the nature, number, pattern, types, location, frequency and values of actual corrupt acts on this website. Your reports will, perhaps for the first time, provide a snapshot of bribes occurring across your city. We will use them to argue for improving governance systems and procedures, tightening law enforcement and regulation and thereby reduce the scope for corruption in obtaining services from the government.
ajays 16y ago
This is an interesting idea, but it needs some cachet to catch on. Don't get me wrong: India _needs_ this site, and needs it badly. Corruption and graft have become so bad that everyone from the top-most office down to the lowest level refuses to even lift a finger without getting his palm greased. Things have become so bad that officials are willing to cause a loss of billions of dollars to the taxpayer just to make some money (ref. the "2G scam"). What India needs is a WikiLeaks. And a "wikileaks" for corruption, where you can list the name, position, etc. of the officials who are corrupt. It would be a pretty long list, I can imagine.
- frisco 16y ago
  >> Will you help us set up something like [WikiLeaks] in our town? >> There already is a WikiLeaks in your town: WikiLeaks. The corruption exposure business is [global], not regional. It's often forgotten that WikiLeaks isn't specifically aimed at the US, and the vast majority of their leaks until recently were from other parts of the world.
  - steveklabnik 16y ago
    It's true, but with their 'maximum exposure' policy, and the fact that they've said they've still got the banks, other private industry, and the EU all lined up, I think it'll be a while before we see more stuff from WikiLeaks about non-Western countries. Then again, maybe not.
  - ajays 16y ago
    I understand that WikiLeaks is global. I also know that they have exposed leaks from Kenya, India, etc. But I think there is still room for a local "wikileaks" which is tailored to the local environment in India (which is a big enough country that it would make sense). Even though India has its version of the FOIA, asking too many questions can get you killed: http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2010/dec/27/india-rti-activists-deaths http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2010/dec/27/india-rti-activi...
- der_ketzer 16y ago
  I live in Mexiko. The corruption here is enourmous, from top to bottom. Wikileaks has showed this corruption. The problem IMHO with corruption is that nobody can/want to do something about it. It doesn't matter (at least here) if you collect all the proofs necessary, because the people that can do something about it are corrupt as well. And I don't think it's that easy to denounce bribes and send to jail the guilty ones. There was a case against ABB (http://www.sec.gov/news/press/2010/2010-175.htm http://www.sec.gov/news/press/2010/2010-175.htm), ABB was charged of paying bribes to Mexican government. There are two ways to make bussiness here, pay a bribe or to leave. ¿Who is more guilty, who pays the bribe (and get no income at all) or the one who receives it? I don't think companies have any moral. So the option is to follow a corruption scheme. And I'm not saying I agree with that or that I'm happy with it. I'm only saying that it doesn't serve a purpose to denounce bribes, if there's no one to punish them.
  - keerthi 16y ago
    I believe if there is a public uprising against the government and the authorities, they will be forced to answer these issues. Wikileaks faclites this by publishing the documents through all types of medium which cannot be censored by the government. As a citizen you can also contribute by spreading it more and more.. My best bet would be to spread it in schools and colleges as they seem to be fearless lot. An uprising is what we need.
    - radu_floricica 16y ago
      I'm Romanian. We're not as bad as Mexic, in the sense we don't have drug lords and piles of bodies, but we definitely don't lose in corruption. I've spent not a little time thinking about what can be done. I know the problem (pretty much everybody knows the problem) - politicians suck. They're either corrupt and incompetent, or just corrupt. Problem is, we really really don't have any alternatives. There is absolutely no party, not even a small youth one that's not the same. We can barely trust non-political watchdog organizations - hell, after the last elections we don't really trust them either. The media is... ok. Private for the most part, and so heavily politicized (yes, it makes sense here), but they don't pull punches when it comes to criticizing the government. They're pretty open with both obvious mistakes and obvious cases of corruption - but the problem is, nothing ever comes out of it. In a working democracy this would be a case for the justice system. Well, we have two problems. First, the whole system is also corrupt as hell. Second, it's also (probably on purpose) extremely inefficient. All the reforms in the past years, including a ridiculously publicized new constitution a few years back only made things worse. So yes, I know what we need. We need: * to respect the now largely ignored law saying that public institutions, education and health are non-politic; * justice system reform * new and fresh options for the next elections * untainted public organizations It's no mystery, really. The only problem is... how do we do it? It it my personal conviction that solving this chicken and egg problem is the next greatest challenge. A generic solution would be extremely useful for most developing countries, i.e. half the world right now.
- keerthi 16y ago
  bet we would need a separate site for publishing the list. The elections are near. Hope they get a good reply
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- IPaidABribe 16y ago
  Ajays, we beg to differ. IPaidABribe believes that corruption in India is systemic and only procedural change can make a difference. Merely booking corrupt individuals is a band-aid solution to a deep-rooted problem as they can easily be replaced by another corrupt officer. Instead, if there is a transparent and accountable system of governance in place it would naturally reduce the degree of discretion which officials enjoy today in India. This, we believe, would help build a corruption-free India.
chrisbroadfoot 16y ago
Took me far too long to find the "view stories" link: http://www.ipaidabribe.com/sforms/view_reports_paid http://www.ipaidabribe.com/sforms/view_reports_paid It'd be great to have these on a map. I want to see where bribes are most common(ly reported) Though, I suppose this site is so focused on Bangalore, it may not be much use.
- IPaidABribe 16y ago
  Your feedback on navigation is appreciated. We will definitely include it in our next website redesign. Not sure what you mean by map but there is a section called Corruption Commons which does give a map wrt bribes: http://ipaidabribe.com/sforms/corruption_commons http://ipaidabribe.com/sforms/corruption_commons We also have a graphical representation of bribes called Bribe Patterns on the homepage. Do take a look and feel free to get back to us with feedback. It's much appreciated. Though it is true that IPAB is based out of Bangalore, we are a pan-India initiative. Our data being crowdsourced, it is just a matter of coincidence that we receive a large portion of our reports from Bangalore. Having said that our graphical Bribe Patterns will show you that Chennai, Mumbai, Pune, Hyderabad and Delhi also figure prominently in our data.
leelin 16y ago
Darn, this seems like a site meant to uncover and curb corruption. I was hoping it was a site where everyday folks share their stories about when it helps to give a nice tip or innocently grease a few palms. Well known cases would be the "$20 trick" you give to the hotel clerk to get a free room upgrade. Once during an airport emergency, I gave two $10 bills to the bellhop to cut the long line at my hotel taxi stand (the bellhop keeps one $10 bill and gives the other to the taxi stand valet guy, who waved us into the next cab). I remember seeing on Friends that you can shorten your restaurant wait times by giving money to the hostess, and the book Doormen claims you can get lots of perks by over-tipping your doormen. What I need is a menu of all such extra services that can be achieved and the average cost / success rate, so I minimize the chances of looking like an idiot.
- Evgeny 16y ago
  I remember seeing on Friends that you can shorten your restaurant wait times by giving money to the hostess This article was very popular on HN a while ago and discussed extensively: "Bribing maitre d' to skip the line" http://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=1653891 http://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=1653891
  - scott_s 16y ago
    In that discussion I made an effort to distinguish between "bribing" an official and "bribing" a waiter: http://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=1654295 http://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=1654295 What the grandparent is talking about I would call extravagant tipping, not bribing.
- guelo 16y ago
  Sorry, instead of it being a site where your wealthy greedy self could gain a meaningless personal advantage over others it is a site that is trying to make the world a better place for everybody. I know it is useless for "everyday folks" from your class, we'll try harder next time.
  - burgerbrain 16y ago
rosser 16y ago
I still really like the idea of the zero-Rupee notes circulating in India, created specifically to present to government officials asking for bribes. Apparently, in many cases the official is so shamed on being handed the nil bill that the bribe is effectively paid. http://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=1353796 http://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=1353796
- statictype 16y ago
  Are they really shamed? I would like to believe this is true but I have trouble coming to terms with the idea that people taking bribes have any shame at all. Unrelated, The 5th Pillar (the organization that came up with the zero-rupee note) seems to have an office building very close to mine. I've seen the bill pasted on the back of cars and can see their wifi network from where I am.
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  - larrik 16y ago
    It's easy to think that everyone accepting (or even demanding) bribes just decided one day that they wanted to be evil. In reality, they may very well have been pressured into it by their environment, or from fears that their peers will rat them out if they aren't participating. I'm not saying they'd be right or should be pitied, but it'd certainly be possible for them to be shamed.
    - spraveen80 16y ago
      It is a systemic problem. Let me give an example where reasonable number of people will laugh at you if you don't bribe your way out of a harmless situation. Road infrastructure is sorely lacking in India which results in crowded streets. A huge percentage of drivers violate traffic laws everyday to gain even the slightest advantage over fellow roadsters. If the person gets pulled over, what is the best thing to do in that situation: go to the nearby police station, wait for a few hours, pay the fine legally or bribe the cop and get on with your travel? Which would you choose? In this case the person who violated traffic is almost begging for the traffic cop to take a bribe so that he can be on his way. Same situation permeates every public office. Do not underestimate the problem caused by people who are willing to pay a bribe to get preferential service. As long as such people exist, people who accept bribes cannot be shamed into not accepting it.
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jpr 16y ago
This was never the way I planned Not my intention I got so brave, pedal on the floor Lost my discretion It's not what, I'm used to Just wanna try this bimmer I'm curious how you Caught me speedin' I paid a bribe and I liked it The price of a new macbook I paid a bribe just to try it I hope my lawyer don't mind it It felt so wrong It felt so right Don't mean I'm in jail tonight I paid a bribe and I liked it I liked it No, I don't even know your rank It doesn't matter You're a corrupt cop Just human nature, It's not what, Good cops do Not how they should behave My head gets so confused Hard to obey Us yuppies we are so loaded Soft money, red bimmer, so predictable Hard to resist, so profitable Too good to deny it Ain't no big deal, it's innocent
thisisananth 16y ago
Though it is a good initiative, it is not effective yet. In the site the stories are not associated with the name and also there are no proofs. So in a way all the reports are toned down to just say that I had to pay a bribe but not who is taking the bribe. If it has that detail, then that official will be shamed and there is a possibility that corruption can be reduced faster. But the site's aim is to gauge the amount of corruption and try for systemic changes to eliminate it - I would take even that compared to nothing. So all the best ipaidabribe
- IPaidABribe 16y ago
  We have got a lot of similar feedback. However, after a great deal of thought we have decided not to give names of people, for the following reasons: (a) We are not a prosecuting agency on behalf of citizens. They can also directly go to regulatory and vigilance authorities such as the Lokayukta and Central Vigilance Commission. (b) It distracts us from the main task of putting pressure on the government for systemic improvement (c) We do not want to open the floodgates of claims and counterclaims. We want the website to retain its focus on being a positive mover in the larger endeavour of eliminating corruption. (d) Elimination of corruption is better achieved by simplification of systems, transparency and other similar reforms. By targeting corrupt people without tackling such changes, we cannot achieve much.
known 16y ago
Do not fight corruption in India unless you carry a licensed pistol.
- ajays 16y ago
  ... and the system is setup so that getting a licensed firearm is close to impossible (and you have to pay a lot of bribes to get one).
  - known 16y ago
    http://goo.gl/MDEpC http://goo.gl/MDEpC might help you
- srean 16y ago
  This is a gross exaggeration. The petty corruption that permeates is surprisingly easy to resist if you can put up with some delays and other inconveniences. If your comment was about going up against bigger fish like the mafia, then I don't think even that will help much.
Kilimanjaro 16y ago
I'll say it a thousand times, corruption is the cancer of all societies and we really need to find the cure as priority number one. Before going to mars, before sea-steading, before feeding africa.
- endtime 16y ago
  You might want to stop saying that, since it doesn't make any sense. There's no more a global cure for corruption than there is a global cure for people not being nice. Not everyone is going to behave how you want them to, and there's no reasonable alternative.
  - Kilimanjaro 16y ago
    No I won't, it makes a lot of sense, and there is a simple cure not everybody willing to accept: the law.
known 16y ago
Without caste/corruption India will disintegrate like USSR in no time.

146 points by albertsun 16y ago

Is there some sort of context missing to go along with this? It's an interesting enough site, but I don't get it completely.

nbpoole 16y ago
http://www.ipaidabribe.com/node/77 http://www.ipaidabribe.com/node/77 IpaidABribe.com is Janaagraha’s unique initiative to tackle corruption by harnessing the collective energy of citizens. You can report on the nature, number, pattern, types, location, frequency and values of actual corrupt acts on this website. Your reports will, perhaps for the first time, provide a snapshot of bribes occurring across your city. We will use them to argue for improving governance systems and procedures, tightening law enforcement and regulation and thereby reduce the scope for corruption in obtaining services from the government.

ajays 16y ago

This is an interesting idea, but it needs some cachet to catch on. Don't get me wrong: India _needs_ this site, and needs it badly. Corruption and graft have become so bad that everyone from the top-most office down to the lowest level refuses to even lift a finger without getting his palm greased. Things have become so bad that officials are willing to cause a loss of billions of dollars to the taxpayer just to make some money (ref. the "2G scam"). What India needs is a WikiLeaks. And a "wikileaks" for corruption, where you can list the name, position, etc. of the officials who are corrupt. It would be a pretty long list, I can imagine.

frisco 16y ago
>> Will you help us set up something like [WikiLeaks] in our town? >> There already is a WikiLeaks in your town: WikiLeaks. The corruption exposure business is [global], not regional. It's often forgotten that WikiLeaks isn't specifically aimed at the US, and the vast majority of their leaks until recently were from other parts of the world.
- steveklabnik 16y ago
  It's true, but with their 'maximum exposure' policy, and the fact that they've said they've still got the banks, other private industry, and the EU all lined up, I think it'll be a while before we see more stuff from WikiLeaks about non-Western countries. Then again, maybe not.
- ajays 16y ago
  I understand that WikiLeaks is global. I also know that they have exposed leaks from Kenya, India, etc. But I think there is still room for a local "wikileaks" which is tailored to the local environment in India (which is a big enough country that it would make sense). Even though India has its version of the FOIA, asking too many questions can get you killed: http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2010/dec/27/india-rti-activists-deaths http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2010/dec/27/india-rti-activi...
der_ketzer 16y ago
I live in Mexiko. The corruption here is enourmous, from top to bottom. Wikileaks has showed this corruption. The problem IMHO with corruption is that nobody can/want to do something about it. It doesn't matter (at least here) if you collect all the proofs necessary, because the people that can do something about it are corrupt as well. And I don't think it's that easy to denounce bribes and send to jail the guilty ones. There was a case against ABB (http://www.sec.gov/news/press/2010/2010-175.htm http://www.sec.gov/news/press/2010/2010-175.htm), ABB was charged of paying bribes to Mexican government. There are two ways to make bussiness here, pay a bribe or to leave. ¿Who is more guilty, who pays the bribe (and get no income at all) or the one who receives it? I don't think companies have any moral. So the option is to follow a corruption scheme. And I'm not saying I agree with that or that I'm happy with it. I'm only saying that it doesn't serve a purpose to denounce bribes, if there's no one to punish them.
- keerthi 16y ago
  I believe if there is a public uprising against the government and the authorities, they will be forced to answer these issues. Wikileaks faclites this by publishing the documents through all types of medium which cannot be censored by the government. As a citizen you can also contribute by spreading it more and more.. My best bet would be to spread it in schools and colleges as they seem to be fearless lot. An uprising is what we need.
  - radu_floricica 16y ago
    I'm Romanian. We're not as bad as Mexic, in the sense we don't have drug lords and piles of bodies, but we definitely don't lose in corruption. I've spent not a little time thinking about what can be done. I know the problem (pretty much everybody knows the problem) - politicians suck. They're either corrupt and incompetent, or just corrupt. Problem is, we really really don't have any alternatives. There is absolutely no party, not even a small youth one that's not the same. We can barely trust non-political watchdog organizations - hell, after the last elections we don't really trust them either. The media is... ok. Private for the most part, and so heavily politicized (yes, it makes sense here), but they don't pull punches when it comes to criticizing the government. They're pretty open with both obvious mistakes and obvious cases of corruption - but the problem is, nothing ever comes out of it. In a working democracy this would be a case for the justice system. Well, we have two problems. First, the whole system is also corrupt as hell. Second, it's also (probably on purpose) extremely inefficient. All the reforms in the past years, including a ridiculously publicized new constitution a few years back only made things worse. So yes, I know what we need. We need: * to respect the now largely ignored law saying that public institutions, education and health are non-politic; * justice system reform * new and fresh options for the next elections * untainted public organizations It's no mystery, really. The only problem is... how do we do it? It it my personal conviction that solving this chicken and egg problem is the next greatest challenge. A generic solution would be extremely useful for most developing countries, i.e. half the world right now.
keerthi 16y ago
bet we would need a separate site for publishing the list. The elections are near. Hope they get a good reply
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IPaidABribe 16y ago
Ajays, we beg to differ. IPaidABribe believes that corruption in India is systemic and only procedural change can make a difference. Merely booking corrupt individuals is a band-aid solution to a deep-rooted problem as they can easily be replaced by another corrupt officer. Instead, if there is a transparent and accountable system of governance in place it would naturally reduce the degree of discretion which officials enjoy today in India. This, we believe, would help build a corruption-free India.

chrisbroadfoot 16y ago

Took me far too long to find the "view stories" link: http://www.ipaidabribe.com/sforms/view_reports_paid http://www.ipaidabribe.com/sforms/view_reports_paid It'd be great to have these on a map. I want to see where bribes are most common(ly reported) Though, I suppose this site is so focused on Bangalore, it may not be much use.

IPaidABribe 16y ago
Your feedback on navigation is appreciated. We will definitely include it in our next website redesign. Not sure what you mean by map but there is a section called Corruption Commons which does give a map wrt bribes: http://ipaidabribe.com/sforms/corruption_commons http://ipaidabribe.com/sforms/corruption_commons We also have a graphical representation of bribes called Bribe Patterns on the homepage. Do take a look and feel free to get back to us with feedback. It's much appreciated. Though it is true that IPAB is based out of Bangalore, we are a pan-India initiative. Our data being crowdsourced, it is just a matter of coincidence that we receive a large portion of our reports from Bangalore. Having said that our graphical Bribe Patterns will show you that Chennai, Mumbai, Pune, Hyderabad and Delhi also figure prominently in our data.

leelin 16y ago

Darn, this seems like a site meant to uncover and curb corruption. I was hoping it was a site where everyday folks share their stories about when it helps to give a nice tip or innocently grease a few palms. Well known cases would be the "$20 trick" you give to the hotel clerk to get a free room upgrade. Once during an airport emergency, I gave two $10 bills to the bellhop to cut the long line at my hotel taxi stand (the bellhop keeps one $10 bill and gives the other to the taxi stand valet guy, who waved us into the next cab). I remember seeing on Friends that you can shorten your restaurant wait times by giving money to the hostess, and the book Doormen claims you can get lots of perks by over-tipping your doormen. What I need is a menu of all such extra services that can be achieved and the average cost / success rate, so I minimize the chances of looking like an idiot.

Evgeny 16y ago
I remember seeing on Friends that you can shorten your restaurant wait times by giving money to the hostess This article was very popular on HN a while ago and discussed extensively: "Bribing maitre d' to skip the line" http://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=1653891 http://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=1653891
- scott_s 16y ago
  In that discussion I made an effort to distinguish between "bribing" an official and "bribing" a waiter: http://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=1654295 http://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=1654295 What the grandparent is talking about I would call extravagant tipping, not bribing.
guelo 16y ago
Sorry, instead of it being a site where your wealthy greedy self could gain a meaningless personal advantage over others it is a site that is trying to make the world a better place for everybody. I know it is useless for "everyday folks" from your class, we'll try harder next time.
- burgerbrain 16y ago

rosser 16y ago

I still really like the idea of the zero-Rupee notes circulating in India, created specifically to present to government officials asking for bribes. Apparently, in many cases the official is so shamed on being handed the nil bill that the bribe is effectively paid. http://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=1353796 http://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=1353796

statictype 16y ago
Are they really shamed? I would like to believe this is true but I have trouble coming to terms with the idea that people taking bribes have any shame at all. Unrelated, The 5th Pillar (the organization that came up with the zero-rupee note) seems to have an office building very close to mine. I've seen the bill pasted on the back of cars and can see their wifi network from where I am.
- deleted 16y ago
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- larrik 16y ago
  It's easy to think that everyone accepting (or even demanding) bribes just decided one day that they wanted to be evil. In reality, they may very well have been pressured into it by their environment, or from fears that their peers will rat them out if they aren't participating. I'm not saying they'd be right or should be pitied, but it'd certainly be possible for them to be shamed.
  - spraveen80 16y ago
    It is a systemic problem. Let me give an example where reasonable number of people will laugh at you if you don't bribe your way out of a harmless situation. Road infrastructure is sorely lacking in India which results in crowded streets. A huge percentage of drivers violate traffic laws everyday to gain even the slightest advantage over fellow roadsters. If the person gets pulled over, what is the best thing to do in that situation: go to the nearby police station, wait for a few hours, pay the fine legally or bribe the cop and get on with your travel? Which would you choose? In this case the person who violated traffic is almost begging for the traffic cop to take a bribe so that he can be on his way. Same situation permeates every public office. Do not underestimate the problem caused by people who are willing to pay a bribe to get preferential service. As long as such people exist, people who accept bribes cannot be shamed into not accepting it.

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jpr 16y ago

This was never the way I planned Not my intention I got so brave, pedal on the floor Lost my discretion It's not what, I'm used to Just wanna try this bimmer I'm curious how you Caught me speedin' I paid a bribe and I liked it The price of a new macbook I paid a bribe just to try it I hope my lawyer don't mind it It felt so wrong It felt so right Don't mean I'm in jail tonight I paid a bribe and I liked it I liked it No, I don't even know your rank It doesn't matter You're a corrupt cop Just human nature, It's not what, Good cops do Not how they should behave My head gets so confused Hard to obey Us yuppies we are so loaded Soft money, red bimmer, so predictable Hard to resist, so profitable Too good to deny it Ain't no big deal, it's innocent

thisisananth 16y ago

Though it is a good initiative, it is not effective yet. In the site the stories are not associated with the name and also there are no proofs. So in a way all the reports are toned down to just say that I had to pay a bribe but not who is taking the bribe. If it has that detail, then that official will be shamed and there is a possibility that corruption can be reduced faster. But the site's aim is to gauge the amount of corruption and try for systemic changes to eliminate it - I would take even that compared to nothing. So all the best ipaidabribe

IPaidABribe 16y ago
We have got a lot of similar feedback. However, after a great deal of thought we have decided not to give names of people, for the following reasons: (a) We are not a prosecuting agency on behalf of citizens. They can also directly go to regulatory and vigilance authorities such as the Lokayukta and Central Vigilance Commission. (b) It distracts us from the main task of putting pressure on the government for systemic improvement (c) We do not want to open the floodgates of claims and counterclaims. We want the website to retain its focus on being a positive mover in the larger endeavour of eliminating corruption. (d) Elimination of corruption is better achieved by simplification of systems, transparency and other similar reforms. By targeting corrupt people without tackling such changes, we cannot achieve much.

known 16y ago

Do not fight corruption in India unless you carry a licensed pistol.

ajays 16y ago
... and the system is setup so that getting a licensed firearm is close to impossible (and you have to pay a lot of bribes to get one).
- known 16y ago
  http://goo.gl/MDEpC http://goo.gl/MDEpC might help you
srean 16y ago
This is a gross exaggeration. The petty corruption that permeates is surprisingly easy to resist if you can put up with some delays and other inconveniences. If your comment was about going up against bigger fish like the mafia, then I don't think even that will help much.

Kilimanjaro 16y ago

I'll say it a thousand times, corruption is the cancer of all societies and we really need to find the cure as priority number one. Before going to mars, before sea-steading, before feeding africa.

endtime 16y ago
You might want to stop saying that, since it doesn't make any sense. There's no more a global cure for corruption than there is a global cure for people not being nice. Not everyone is going to behave how you want them to, and there's no reasonable alternative.
- Kilimanjaro 16y ago
  No I won't, it makes a lot of sense, and there is a simple cure not everybody willing to accept: the law.

known 16y ago

Without caste/corruption India will disintegrate like USSR in no time.