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Looks like they have a patreon https://www.patreon.com/bePatron?u=10705728 https://www.patreon.com/bePatron?u=10705728

by nabakin 7y ago

_eht 7y ago
I would rather donate to them directly, personally.
- self_awareness 7y ago
  Isn't Patreon a direct donation?
  - SSchick 7y ago
    They do take a cut, that's their business model.
    - paulryanrogers 7y ago
      10% not including payment processing fees. I know they need to keep the lights on but that seems steep to me.
      - ygjb 7y ago
        seems like a lot of room for competition...
        otachack 7y ago
        Maybe Epic will get in on it
        nabla9 7y ago
        Online payment system is typical platform business where network effect dominates. There are multiple competitors for Patreon, but they can't get off the ground because they don't have the users because they don't have the creators because they don't have the users.... You can build much better platform and it's just crickets in the sales because operating costs on smaller userbase are higher. Small competitor might force Patreon to reduce prices a little until they can kill the competition, but it's hard to have stable competitors. Businesses that already have massive number of customer subscriptions and brand recognition could enter the market.
      - dtech 7y ago
        It used to be 5% and they recently upped it to 8% for new creators.
        Kye 7y ago
        It's 8% for what used to be standard. 5% is for a new stripped down version. https://www.patreon.com/product/pricing https://www.patreon.com/product/pricing
        dtech 7y ago
        Incorrect: https://techcrunch.com/2019/03/19/patreon-ups-its-revenue-cut-but-grandfathers-in-old-creators/ https://techcrunch.com/2019/03/19/patreon-ups-its-revenue-cu... The current 8% plan used to be 5%. Their current 5% plan is stripped down.
        Kye 7y ago
        I think we're saying the same thing. What I said, rephrased for clarity: It used to be 5% for all features. That's what the 8% plan is now. The new and current 5% plan is the stripped down version. What you said, by my understanding: the 8% plan contains what used to be the only option [standard, by my phrasing] at 5%. I don't see any disagreement unless you were referring to the discounts given to existing creators. I'm talking about the new creator rates.
      - chipotle_coyote 7y ago
        Patreon has three membership plans for creators, none of which are actually 10%. :) The basic one is 5%, the "pro" one is 8%, and the "premium" one is 12%, which is targeted more at companies/teams than individuals. (It comes with a dedicated account manager and I believe some kind of shipping/fulfillment system for physical merchandise.) Their payment processing fees are also actually lower than what you'd pay Stripe directly for pledges of $3 and under. Patreon isn't problem-free, but I think they get dinged a little too hard by folks sometimes. It's not very easy to find a competitor that offers comparable value-added services at significantly lower cost.
  - jedberg 7y ago
    Minus the Patreon fees.
    - bigiain 7y ago
      And plus the occasional Patreon douchbaggery...
ilaksh 7y ago
Yep, currently around 200 patrons at $1153 per month total. Compare that to, for example, the top 200 "adult" (porn) projects on Patreon: https://graphtreon.com/patreon-creators/adult-games https://graphtreon.com/patreon-creators/adult-games One example would be DarkCookie with "SummerTime saga", a "dating sim" at around $50,000 US. Or another example at 769 patrons and $2,287 per month: "Porn Empire is a simulation/management with light RPG elements where you play as an amateur porn producer. Start small, shoot amateur porn and as you progress, you earn more money, buy better equipment, pick up better girls and train them" If people really cared they would have signed up. But the proof is in the pudding. What people really care about is totally different from what they say publicly. What they really care about, apparently, if you follow the money, is interactive cartoon porn. I wonder if Patreon would consider diverting a small amount of the porn money to worthy causes like Linux Journal.
- nemothekid 7y ago
  >What they really care about, apparently, if you follow the money, is interactive cartoon porn. But, according to the link you sent, the global top 100 only has 15 NSFW creators. People seem way more interested in Podcasts and YouTube videos.
  - ilaksh 7y ago
    Right. Sorry. What people care about is probably something like this ranking: - podcasts - YouTube - porn - Skyrim mods - Minecraft mods - Instagram models ... several other bullet points .... - journalism
    - denkmoon 7y ago
      Many of those podcasters and youtubers are better journalists than the writers for Washington Post.
    - cameronbrown 7y ago
      The real issue is the we've forgotten what real journalism looks like. Nobody wants to pay.

Looks like they have a patreon https://www.patreon.com/bePatron?u=10705728 https://www.patreon.com/bePatron?u=10705728

_eht 7y ago

I would rather donate to them directly, personally.

self_awareness 7y ago
Isn't Patreon a direct donation?
- SSchick 7y ago
  They do take a cut, that's their business model.
  - paulryanrogers 7y ago
    10% not including payment processing fees. I know they need to keep the lights on but that seems steep to me.
    - ygjb 7y ago
      seems like a lot of room for competition...
      - otachack 7y ago
        Maybe Epic will get in on it
      - nabla9 7y ago
        Online payment system is typical platform business where network effect dominates. There are multiple competitors for Patreon, but they can't get off the ground because they don't have the users because they don't have the creators because they don't have the users.... You can build much better platform and it's just crickets in the sales because operating costs on smaller userbase are higher. Small competitor might force Patreon to reduce prices a little until they can kill the competition, but it's hard to have stable competitors. Businesses that already have massive number of customer subscriptions and brand recognition could enter the market.
    - dtech 7y ago
      It used to be 5% and they recently upped it to 8% for new creators.
      - Kye 7y ago
        It's 8% for what used to be standard. 5% is for a new stripped down version. https://www.patreon.com/product/pricing https://www.patreon.com/product/pricing
        dtech 7y ago
        Incorrect: https://techcrunch.com/2019/03/19/patreon-ups-its-revenue-cut-but-grandfathers-in-old-creators/ https://techcrunch.com/2019/03/19/patreon-ups-its-revenue-cu... The current 8% plan used to be 5%. Their current 5% plan is stripped down.
        Kye 7y ago
        I think we're saying the same thing. What I said, rephrased for clarity: It used to be 5% for all features. That's what the 8% plan is now. The new and current 5% plan is the stripped down version. What you said, by my understanding: the 8% plan contains what used to be the only option [standard, by my phrasing] at 5%. I don't see any disagreement unless you were referring to the discounts given to existing creators. I'm talking about the new creator rates.
    - chipotle_coyote 7y ago
      Patreon has three membership plans for creators, none of which are actually 10%. :) The basic one is 5%, the "pro" one is 8%, and the "premium" one is 12%, which is targeted more at companies/teams than individuals. (It comes with a dedicated account manager and I believe some kind of shipping/fulfillment system for physical merchandise.) Their payment processing fees are also actually lower than what you'd pay Stripe directly for pledges of $3 and under. Patreon isn't problem-free, but I think they get dinged a little too hard by folks sometimes. It's not very easy to find a competitor that offers comparable value-added services at significantly lower cost.
- jedberg 7y ago
  Minus the Patreon fees.
  - bigiain 7y ago
    And plus the occasional Patreon douchbaggery...

ilaksh 7y ago

Yep, currently around 200 patrons at $1153 per month total. Compare that to, for example, the top 200 "adult" (porn) projects on Patreon: https://graphtreon.com/patreon-creators/adult-games https://graphtreon.com/patreon-creators/adult-games One example would be DarkCookie with "SummerTime saga", a "dating sim" at around $50,000 US. Or another example at 769 patrons and $2,287 per month: "Porn Empire is a simulation/management with light RPG elements where you play as an amateur porn producer. Start small, shoot amateur porn and as you progress, you earn more money, buy better equipment, pick up better girls and train them" If people really cared they would have signed up. But the proof is in the pudding. What people really care about is totally different from what they say publicly. What they really care about, apparently, if you follow the money, is interactive cartoon porn. I wonder if Patreon would consider diverting a small amount of the porn money to worthy causes like Linux Journal.

nemothekid 7y ago
>What they really care about, apparently, if you follow the money, is interactive cartoon porn. But, according to the link you sent, the global top 100 only has 15 NSFW creators. People seem way more interested in Podcasts and YouTube videos.
- ilaksh 7y ago
  Right. Sorry. What people care about is probably something like this ranking: - podcasts - YouTube - porn - Skyrim mods - Minecraft mods - Instagram models ... several other bullet points .... - journalism
  - denkmoon 7y ago
    Many of those podcasters and youtubers are better journalists than the writers for Washington Post.
  - cameronbrown 7y ago
    The real issue is the we've forgotten what real journalism looks like. Nobody wants to pay.