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consumes 5000kcal+ a day... "Must be them damn pesticides." Edit: I'm more interested in all the other ways jacking up your gut microbiome can negatively affe

consumes 5000kcal+ a day... "Must be them damn pesticides." Edit: I'm more interested in all the other ways jacking up your gut microbiome can negatively affect you, especially the potential links they're starting to find with autism[0]. [0] https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3564498/ https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3564498/

sp332 7y ago
I don't know if you read the article, but it's more complicated than how many calories you eat. This abstract shows some of the complexity: https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/26967715 https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/26967715
- wang_li 7y ago
  > but it's more complicated than how many calories you eat. It is and it isn't. It's how many calories your body is able to metabolize. Usually those two numbers are similar, but the only way you're going to not get fat from putting 5000 kcal a day into your pie hole is if you have significant medical issues with your digestive system. Also, it's odd that you'd say "it's not about calories" and link to an publication that literally has "in chronic over nutrition" in it's title.
  - sp332 7y ago
    And it sends with "a new class of food and drink that is low- or no-cost to the consumer, convenient, savory, calorically dense, yet weakly satiating". Only one of those things is about calories. Edit: we're not talking about people actually eating 5,000 calories per day. 5trokerac3 made that up in order to blame fat people for being fat.
    - wang_li 7y ago
      Yet, weirdly enough, if a food item had all of those qualities except being calorically dense it wouldn't make people fat. Everyone one of those factors are things that lead to over eating, when paired with calorically dense you end up with the chronic over nutrition mentioned in the title.
      - sp332 7y ago
        Yes, but if it were missing the other factors and was only calorically dense, it also wouldn't make people fat.
        wang_li 7y ago
        It will make them fat if they eat it. Which is the very assertion you were disputing. The reasons why they might eat it have nothing to do with whether over eating makes you fat or not.
        5trokerac3 7y ago
        That's like saying if cocaine made you feel like shit people wouldn't be able to get high on it. The issue isn't the food, it's the individual's brain.
    - krageon 7y ago
      It isn't about blame. Calories in/calories out is what we know influences weight. If you have some significant insight to contribute there, great! If not, please don't marginalise proper insight and factual knowledge by implying the person in question needs to feel bad for telling you.
  - dragonwriter 7y ago
    > the only way you're going to not get fat from putting 5000 kcal a day into your pie hole is if you have significant medical issues with your digestive system. As someone who, down a few hours of dance practice a day from my peak activity level, is running about 4,300kcal/day burn rate, I can imagine other ways to not gain weight on a 5,000kcal/day diet than “significant medical issues with your digestive system”.
    - Fezzik 7y ago
      With all due respect, that is crazy... A tour de France rider barely consumes 5,000 calories a day while competing in the tour de France. You either have a fantastic metabolism, are in high school and a multi-sport athlete, have a medical issue, or are miscalculating. Tangentially, there are oodles of Youtube videos about the diets of professional dancers... who practice 6+ hours a day... and none of them are even breaking 3k calories. Edit: clarity.
      - dragonwriter 7y ago
        > You either have a fantastic metabolism, are in high school and a multi-sport athlete, have a medical issue, or are miscalculating. Or have significantly higher lean body mass than a Tour de France rider, since lean body mass is pretty much a multiplicative factor in energy consumption. > Tangentially, there are oodles of Youtube videos about the diets of professional dancers... who practice 6+ hours a day... and none of them are even breaking 3k calories. The thing about being a serious amateur dancer is you can be much bigger (both height and frame) than you could be and ever hope to go anywhere professionally in most styles of dance, which professionally tend to very rigorously filter for a very narrow range of body types (even, e.g., in ballroom, though classical ballet is the most notorious and perhaps the most extreme for this.)
        5trokerac3 7y ago
        You shouldn't be getting downvoted. You're being factually correct here, but a lot of people become armchair experts when the conversation goes to peak performance numbers.

sp332 7y ago

I don't know if you read the article, but it's more complicated than how many calories you eat. This abstract shows some of the complexity: https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/26967715 https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/26967715

wang_li 7y ago
> but it's more complicated than how many calories you eat. It is and it isn't. It's how many calories your body is able to metabolize. Usually those two numbers are similar, but the only way you're going to not get fat from putting 5000 kcal a day into your pie hole is if you have significant medical issues with your digestive system. Also, it's odd that you'd say "it's not about calories" and link to an publication that literally has "in chronic over nutrition" in it's title.
- sp332 7y ago
  And it sends with "a new class of food and drink that is low- or no-cost to the consumer, convenient, savory, calorically dense, yet weakly satiating". Only one of those things is about calories. Edit: we're not talking about people actually eating 5,000 calories per day. 5trokerac3 made that up in order to blame fat people for being fat.
  - wang_li 7y ago
    Yet, weirdly enough, if a food item had all of those qualities except being calorically dense it wouldn't make people fat. Everyone one of those factors are things that lead to over eating, when paired with calorically dense you end up with the chronic over nutrition mentioned in the title.
    - sp332 7y ago
      Yes, but if it were missing the other factors and was only calorically dense, it also wouldn't make people fat.
      - wang_li 7y ago
        It will make them fat if they eat it. Which is the very assertion you were disputing. The reasons why they might eat it have nothing to do with whether over eating makes you fat or not.
      - 5trokerac3 7y ago
        That's like saying if cocaine made you feel like shit people wouldn't be able to get high on it. The issue isn't the food, it's the individual's brain.
  - krageon 7y ago
    It isn't about blame. Calories in/calories out is what we know influences weight. If you have some significant insight to contribute there, great! If not, please don't marginalise proper insight and factual knowledge by implying the person in question needs to feel bad for telling you.
- dragonwriter 7y ago
  > the only way you're going to not get fat from putting 5000 kcal a day into your pie hole is if you have significant medical issues with your digestive system. As someone who, down a few hours of dance practice a day from my peak activity level, is running about 4,300kcal/day burn rate, I can imagine other ways to not gain weight on a 5,000kcal/day diet than “significant medical issues with your digestive system”.
  - Fezzik 7y ago
    With all due respect, that is crazy... A tour de France rider barely consumes 5,000 calories a day while competing in the tour de France. You either have a fantastic metabolism, are in high school and a multi-sport athlete, have a medical issue, or are miscalculating. Tangentially, there are oodles of Youtube videos about the diets of professional dancers... who practice 6+ hours a day... and none of them are even breaking 3k calories. Edit: clarity.
    - dragonwriter 7y ago
      > You either have a fantastic metabolism, are in high school and a multi-sport athlete, have a medical issue, or are miscalculating. Or have significantly higher lean body mass than a Tour de France rider, since lean body mass is pretty much a multiplicative factor in energy consumption. > Tangentially, there are oodles of Youtube videos about the diets of professional dancers... who practice 6+ hours a day... and none of them are even breaking 3k calories. The thing about being a serious amateur dancer is you can be much bigger (both height and frame) than you could be and ever hope to go anywhere professionally in most styles of dance, which professionally tend to very rigorously filter for a very narrow range of body types (even, e.g., in ballroom, though classical ballet is the most notorious and perhaps the most extreme for this.)
      - 5trokerac3 7y ago
        You shouldn't be getting downvoted. You're being factually correct here, but a lot of people become armchair experts when the conversation goes to peak performance numbers.