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The US is a violent place even without guns. The murder rates for non-gun violence are still astronomical compared to other developed countries. It's likely alw

The US is a violent place even without guns. The murder rates for non-gun violence are still astronomical compared to other developed countries. It's likely always been violent place, so how does that change?

nradov 7y ago
That is highly misleading. If you look at the overall per capita rates of violent death since 1776 it's clear that on average Europeans are far more violent than Americans. Limiting the count of deaths to just those that meet the legal definition of "murder" is disingenuous.
turk73 7y ago
Now just hold on a second. Show your work, please. I don't think of the US overall as having much violence. I face nearly no risk of home invasion, mugging, or anything, really, and that is true for the vast majority of Americans. Let's be honest: US murder rates are high because of one particular demographic of people involved in particular criminal enterprises. Drug war or no, that is the reality. There are neighborhoods in the nearby cities I don't go near because of the possibility of becoming involved in a violent encounter, probably only due to my being white in a non-white area. Meanwhile, I can go pretty much anywhere else in the US and never have a concern. Why is that? Mass shootings? Please. They are vanishingly low on the probability of dying chart. I worry more about crossing the street. Those are sad events. So are car crashes, plane crashes, E Coli outbreaks, cancer, heart disease, etc. The worst thing is how "gun violence" is counted separately and those figures includes things like suicides and police shootings of people in the act of committing felony crimes. Those statistics are ginned to the max in order to mislead the public in support of additional civil disarmament. The implications of that are speculative, but I would say it is so that the next round of subjugation and abuse of the public can take place under the color of law without the threat of push back to those doing the pushing. If you look at violent crimes in European countries, there is more of it there but they only report crimes once the case has been cleared. No conclusion=no crime mentioned. It is a gigantic lie. If European nations are so safe, how come the cops are nearly always paired with soldiers armed with rifles? You see this everywhere across Europe, in fact. In all those gun-free paradises over there, what threat is on their minds? Or is that just a big show to keep the public in fear? As I have noted, if you aren't involved in criminal activities, your chances of being acted upon violently in the US are very low.

nradov 7y ago

That is highly misleading. If you look at the overall per capita rates of violent death since 1776 it's clear that on average Europeans are far more violent than Americans. Limiting the count of deaths to just those that meet the legal definition of "murder" is disingenuous.

turk73 7y ago

Now just hold on a second. Show your work, please. I don't think of the US overall as having much violence. I face nearly no risk of home invasion, mugging, or anything, really, and that is true for the vast majority of Americans. Let's be honest: US murder rates are high because of one particular demographic of people involved in particular criminal enterprises. Drug war or no, that is the reality. There are neighborhoods in the nearby cities I don't go near because of the possibility of becoming involved in a violent encounter, probably only due to my being white in a non-white area. Meanwhile, I can go pretty much anywhere else in the US and never have a concern. Why is that? Mass shootings? Please. They are vanishingly low on the probability of dying chart. I worry more about crossing the street. Those are sad events. So are car crashes, plane crashes, E Coli outbreaks, cancer, heart disease, etc. The worst thing is how "gun violence" is counted separately and those figures includes things like suicides and police shootings of people in the act of committing felony crimes. Those statistics are ginned to the max in order to mislead the public in support of additional civil disarmament. The implications of that are speculative, but I would say it is so that the next round of subjugation and abuse of the public can take place under the color of law without the threat of push back to those doing the pushing. If you look at violent crimes in European countries, there is more of it there but they only report crimes once the case has been cleared. No conclusion=no crime mentioned. It is a gigantic lie. If European nations are so safe, how come the cops are nearly always paired with soldiers armed with rifles? You see this everywhere across Europe, in fact. In all those gun-free paradises over there, what threat is on their minds? Or is that just a big show to keep the public in fear? As I have noted, if you aren't involved in criminal activities, your chances of being acted upon violently in the US are very low.