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The us decoupling itself from China would be an unmitigated disaster for the us as China would align itself with Russia.

assblaster 7y ago
Russia is an irrelevant economic factor in the 21st century. Their export is fossil fuels, and that's about it.
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- fosco 7y ago
  Ice/water will be a major export very soon. Countries will go to war over it.
  - mobilefriendly 7y ago
    Nope. Drought is usually local and water shortages are often from the breakdown of regional infrastructure. There are recently discovered truly massive water lakes in the earth's mantle. https://www.livescience.com/46292-hidden-ocean-locked-in-earth-mantle.html https://www.livescience.com/46292-hidden-ocean-locked-in-ear...
- dragonelite 7y ago
  Northeast passage in a couple of decades might be a big boom for Russia and China.
thrwayxyz 7y ago
Russia has the population of Nigeria and the GDP of Italy. The cold war ended a while ago. Worrying about them today makes about as much sense as worrying about Autria in 1930 because Austrohungaria used to be a world power.
- chrischen 7y ago
  They have a large nuclear arsenal.
  - azinman2 7y ago
    And a large military, are actively involved in cyberwarfare and psychological warfare, hacking US elections, and veto rights on the UN Security Council. Plus a history of getting many countries into its sphere of influence. It’s foolish to discount them.
  - milchek 7y ago
    Which might not mean as much as you think, thanks to the doctrine of Mutual Assured Destruction (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mutual_assured_destruction https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mutual_assured_destruction)
    - AstralStorm 7y ago
      That only works as long as you have targets worth destroying. China has a lot. US, fewer... Russia, we do not even know the targets.
  - bayesian_horse 7y ago
    They can't use that arsenal to buy Chinese stuff.
- Bendingo 7y ago
  > Worrying about them today ... And yet, still the west endlessly obsesses about Russia, for some reason.
- foldingmoney 7y ago
  >Worrying about them today makes about as much sense as worrying about Autria in 1930 because Austrohungaria used to be a world power. And nothing bad came out of Austria in the 1930s.
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chibg10 7y ago
I mean they sorta already are? Xi Jinpeng was calling Vladimir Putin his "closest, most dearest friend" just a month or two ago. They already oppose the US (along with Russia) on every major international issue.
- Supermancho 7y ago
  > Xi Jinpeng was calling Vladimir Putin his "closest, most dearest friend" Why would anyone care what state heads say (this includes Trump and his comments about NK)? It means nothing and has no consequence...except maybe preventing fickle market fluctuation. You never hear "I hate this guy" because it's just pablum. Convince me otherwise. I really don't understand why you would cite that as something meaningful.
  - chosenbreed37 7y ago
    I couldn't agree with you more ;-)
  - rossdavidh 7y ago
    Well, it cannot be taken at face value, but it can mean something. It means that there is an understanding by Russian and Chinese heads of state that they could have a common interest in keeping the U.S. from acting as a world despot. Of course, Russia and China have attempted to unite vs. U.S. interests before, and it always turns out that they have more to disagree/argue about than they have to agree on. But it doesn't mean that it's not worth mentioning.
qaq 7y ago
you are aware that USSR annexed parts of China? Whatever the lang Xi uses they will never be allies.
- mobilefriendly 7y ago
  We are not aware because it didn't happen. Having said that, among Chinese hardcore nationalists there are historic dreams of owning Siberia.
flukus 7y ago
They're already aligning with Russia through SCO (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shanghai_Cooperation_Organisation https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shanghai_Cooperation_Organisat...) and there's already been talk of merging with the CSTO (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Collective_Security_Treaty_Organization https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Collective_Security_Treaty_Org...) which would be a full on defensive alliance.

assblaster 7y ago

Russia is an irrelevant economic factor in the 21st century. Their export is fossil fuels, and that's about it.

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fosco 7y ago
Ice/water will be a major export very soon. Countries will go to war over it.
- mobilefriendly 7y ago
  Nope. Drought is usually local and water shortages are often from the breakdown of regional infrastructure. There are recently discovered truly massive water lakes in the earth's mantle. https://www.livescience.com/46292-hidden-ocean-locked-in-earth-mantle.html https://www.livescience.com/46292-hidden-ocean-locked-in-ear...
dragonelite 7y ago
Northeast passage in a couple of decades might be a big boom for Russia and China.

thrwayxyz 7y ago

Russia has the population of Nigeria and the GDP of Italy. The cold war ended a while ago. Worrying about them today makes about as much sense as worrying about Autria in 1930 because Austrohungaria used to be a world power.

chrischen 7y ago
They have a large nuclear arsenal.
- azinman2 7y ago
  And a large military, are actively involved in cyberwarfare and psychological warfare, hacking US elections, and veto rights on the UN Security Council. Plus a history of getting many countries into its sphere of influence. It’s foolish to discount them.
- milchek 7y ago
  Which might not mean as much as you think, thanks to the doctrine of Mutual Assured Destruction (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mutual_assured_destruction https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mutual_assured_destruction)
  - AstralStorm 7y ago
    That only works as long as you have targets worth destroying. China has a lot. US, fewer... Russia, we do not even know the targets.
- bayesian_horse 7y ago
  They can't use that arsenal to buy Chinese stuff.
Bendingo 7y ago
> Worrying about them today ... And yet, still the west endlessly obsesses about Russia, for some reason.
foldingmoney 7y ago
>Worrying about them today makes about as much sense as worrying about Autria in 1930 because Austrohungaria used to be a world power. And nothing bad came out of Austria in the 1930s.
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chibg10 7y ago

I mean they sorta already are? Xi Jinpeng was calling Vladimir Putin his "closest, most dearest friend" just a month or two ago. They already oppose the US (along with Russia) on every major international issue.

Supermancho 7y ago
> Xi Jinpeng was calling Vladimir Putin his "closest, most dearest friend" Why would anyone care what state heads say (this includes Trump and his comments about NK)? It means nothing and has no consequence...except maybe preventing fickle market fluctuation. You never hear "I hate this guy" because it's just pablum. Convince me otherwise. I really don't understand why you would cite that as something meaningful.
- chosenbreed37 7y ago
  I couldn't agree with you more ;-)
- rossdavidh 7y ago
  Well, it cannot be taken at face value, but it can mean something. It means that there is an understanding by Russian and Chinese heads of state that they could have a common interest in keeping the U.S. from acting as a world despot. Of course, Russia and China have attempted to unite vs. U.S. interests before, and it always turns out that they have more to disagree/argue about than they have to agree on. But it doesn't mean that it's not worth mentioning.

qaq 7y ago

you are aware that USSR annexed parts of China? Whatever the lang Xi uses they will never be allies.

mobilefriendly 7y ago
We are not aware because it didn't happen. Having said that, among Chinese hardcore nationalists there are historic dreams of owning Siberia.

flukus 7y ago

They're already aligning with Russia through SCO (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shanghai_Cooperation_Organisation https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shanghai_Cooperation_Organisat...) and there's already been talk of merging with the CSTO (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Collective_Security_Treaty_Organization https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Collective_Security_Treaty_Org...) which would be a full on defensive alliance.