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I am genuinely upset over this. And that is after CEO pinky swears he will not do it in the future. It will be that much easier to do it now that there is a pre

I am genuinely upset over this. And that is after CEO pinky swears he will not do it in the future. It will be that much easier to do it now that there is a precedent. I doubt he does not know it. I think.. I think I will be starting free speech focused entity. Like NRA. Laser focus. No restrictions on free speech of any kind. Ever. This may be the only thing to prevent US from losing its list of temporary priviledges.

iooi 7y ago
Even CP? I don't think you've thought this all the way through.
- steve1011 7y ago
  that is not free speech though, that is explicitly illegal.
favorited 7y ago
> No restrictions on free speech of any kind I'm not aware of any country which allows for speech with "no restrictions"
- A4ET8a8uTh0 7y ago
  I am saying. Like with NRA's second amendment, absolutist position must be taken since compromise clearly does not work.
Daishiman 7y ago
We're so glad you consider that more important than the continued shootings that only the US seems to suffer from on a frequent and permanent basis. That free speech is sure making a lot of people free right.
- A4ET8a8uTh0 7y ago
  Freedom of speech IS more important than few dead people. This entire country was founded on this particular issue. People went to war for it. So there is no need to be glib here.
  - Daishiman 7y ago
    There are societies which are in practice far more free in their expression of speech and which are at the same time substantially safer. There is quite evidently no move to legally curtail any freedoms. Nor are the restrictions put on by these companies in any substantially onerous or making free speech impossible.
cortesoft 7y ago
Free speech does not require that we give people a platform. Free speech also means that everyone can decide to turn their backs on people saying these sorts of things, and not let them use the things we have built to spread their message.
- SlowRobotAhead 7y ago
  >Free speech does not require that we give people a platform. That's true! Unfortunately it gets a little more complicated than that. As providers enjoy PLATFORM protections that align with the ideas of free speech. Meaning they will enjoy legal immunity from content they host so long as they won't decide who gets a voice or why so long as the content is legally allowed. They aren't liable because they didn't have a say in what it was. They are required to remove illegal things of course. The issue here is the PLATFORMS are now deciding they're going to keep these legal protections they basically require in order to exist - while also acting a PUBLISHERS that curate otherwise legal content to be aligned with their views. Admit that many of the same people celebrating "they're a private company they can do what they want!" were also yelling "make the cake you bigots!" This may be a cake-centric issue now that I think about it. Because CF, SV, FAANG are Having Cake + Eating Cake.
  - dd36 7y ago
    Cloudflare is not acting as a publisher.
    - SlowRobotAhead 7y ago
      Are they curating otherwise legal content because they don't like it? Isn't that the topic here? Help me understand.
      - dd36 7y ago
        It’s not clearly legal and Cloudflare is under no requirement to provide its service to everyone that wants it.
  - 7y ago

iooi 7y ago

Even CP? I don't think you've thought this all the way through.

steve1011 7y ago
that is not free speech though, that is explicitly illegal.

favorited 7y ago

> No restrictions on free speech of any kind I'm not aware of any country which allows for speech with "no restrictions"

A4ET8a8uTh0 7y ago
I am saying. Like with NRA's second amendment, absolutist position must be taken since compromise clearly does not work.

Daishiman 7y ago

We're so glad you consider that more important than the continued shootings that only the US seems to suffer from on a frequent and permanent basis. That free speech is sure making a lot of people free right.

A4ET8a8uTh0 7y ago
Freedom of speech IS more important than few dead people. This entire country was founded on this particular issue. People went to war for it. So there is no need to be glib here.
- Daishiman 7y ago
  There are societies which are in practice far more free in their expression of speech and which are at the same time substantially safer. There is quite evidently no move to legally curtail any freedoms. Nor are the restrictions put on by these companies in any substantially onerous or making free speech impossible.

cortesoft 7y ago

Free speech does not require that we give people a platform. Free speech also means that everyone can decide to turn their backs on people saying these sorts of things, and not let them use the things we have built to spread their message.

SlowRobotAhead 7y ago
>Free speech does not require that we give people a platform. That's true! Unfortunately it gets a little more complicated than that. As providers enjoy PLATFORM protections that align with the ideas of free speech. Meaning they will enjoy legal immunity from content they host so long as they won't decide who gets a voice or why so long as the content is legally allowed. They aren't liable because they didn't have a say in what it was. They are required to remove illegal things of course. The issue here is the PLATFORMS are now deciding they're going to keep these legal protections they basically require in order to exist - while also acting a PUBLISHERS that curate otherwise legal content to be aligned with their views. Admit that many of the same people celebrating "they're a private company they can do what they want!" were also yelling "make the cake you bigots!" This may be a cake-centric issue now that I think about it. Because CF, SV, FAANG are Having Cake + Eating Cake.
- dd36 7y ago
  Cloudflare is not acting as a publisher.
  - SlowRobotAhead 7y ago
    Are they curating otherwise legal content because they don't like it? Isn't that the topic here? Help me understand.
    - dd36 7y ago
      It’s not clearly legal and Cloudflare is under no requirement to provide its service to everyone that wants it.
- 7y ago