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I wanted to punish my daughter with a no-frills phone but it didn't go to plan
- Theodores 7y agoHas anyone tried the user interface of a burner phone? Recently I tried exchanging numbers with a friend who has a burner phone - a replacement for a lost phone. Yes, good luck with dialling a number or storing a number in the contacts. Even sending a text is a trial of user experience, an intelligence test akin to solving a Rubik's Cube. So it is good to see that a 12 year old can work out some of these functions. I completely failed to exchange phone contact numbers with my friend, with ten minutes of trying.
- lechienquipete 7y ago> good luck with dialling a number You literally unlock the phone, type the number and press the call button.
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- intopieces 7y agoExcuse me for assuming, but you must be quite young to not know how to send a text on a burner phone. I can still T9 type like I'm still a freshman in high school, possibly as well as I can type on a smart phone.
- HeWhoLurksLate 7y agoI'm rather young- and I know how to T9 type- but I got my flipper in middle school. I honestly quite liked it, not that I ever want to go back now.
- zzo38computer 7y agoT9 works OK, and there are other ways too (such as having to push the button multiple times to specify which letter you meant), but I think Hollerith chording is better. (Also, I do not have a mobile phone and I think I do not want one.)
- cafebabbe 7y agoNokias, especially the 3310 model, had stellar UI for text and voice calls. Contextual menus always spot-on, two actions max for getting anywhere, T9 typing...
- dgellow 7y agoPlease don't take it badly, and only answer if you want to, but how old are you? What you call "intelligence test akin to solving a Rubik's Cube" is what absolutely everybody was doing before the release of the iPhone (so up to 2007).
- antisemiotic 7y agoNot sure what GP means by a "burner phone", but I can see a pretty wide chasm between classic "dumb phones" (I fondly remember my armored Nokia 5510 with a weapons-grade antenna) and transitionary pseudo-smartphones (like an Alcatel wossitsname that my grandpa used to have) which managed to get the worst of both worlds (touch screen with idiotic mapping and no undo, etc.)
- Theodores 7y agoFunny how I 'must be an idiot' for suggesting this, or stupidly aged. My observation is a genuine one. When was the last time you tried a modern burner phone? They are not your grandma's Nokia. They will have a brand you have never heard of and the functions will be upgraded to give lame access to WhatsApp or some other internet functionality that was not around before 2007. The other thing is that you can quickly forget the strange button presses and hacks that went with the original burner phone interface. To take an automotive analogy, sure we hand-started cars once and you can hand-start them now but you don't get the same handle that used to come with them.
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- EliRivers 7y agoI recently tried to dial a number on a modern smart phone. I gave up and just found a landline. Is not making calls on the kind of burner phone in the article much easier? Just type in the numbers on the physical buttons that have the numbers written on them permanently, and then push some kind of "make this call" button (often bigger and central in some way)?
- fmpwizard 7y agoI think your definition of a burner phone is different than what the article describes. It's not supposed to have much in the way of navigation/UI. To place a call it should be just unlock it, open it (for flip kind), press the numbers and then press the green button :) I bought one for my 8 yod, unknown brand "Plum" and works great, battery lasts like a week. In my case, I got it for emergencies.
- RaceWon 7y ago> I think your definition of a burner phone is different than what the article describes. A burner phone is Any phone that you can pay cash for and buy air time on it with prepaid air time cards (also for cash). Therefore No One knows who owns it.
- cm2187 7y agoI believe many are designed to be smuggled in certain orifices. It must affect their functionalities.
- Accacin 7y agoOn my flip ohone, right now. Right button (contacts) > Add Contact (First option). Send? Same as before, scroll down 'till you find the contact > Right click > Send V Card. One thing I love, on the home screen, want to search for 'Rich'? Type 7424 (Rich) and Richard is listed.. Name and contact number. From there I can press the green button to call him or right click for more options. Incredibly simple!
- blahblahthrow 7y agoThis person sounds like an absolute control freak and terrible parent. Oh no, eating junk food in bed? Better... come up with a byzantine punishment?
- asveikau 7y agoSuspend disbelief, and don't be so hard on them. They may be exaggerating for comedic effect (the tone of the article is not exactly serious), or not wanting to bother the reader with actual details from their personal life.
- HarryHirsch 7y agoThere are those of us who had controlling parents or parents with serious, untreated OCPD. That stuff isn't funny at all. If you want comedic effect, try making lynching jokes in a black bar in Mississippi or Holocaust jokes in a Jewish congregation in Germany, then report back.
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- austincheney 7y agoSeparating child from phone addiction is Byzantine?
- DanBC 7y agoA week long punishment is pointless. A child's perception of time means a ten minute punishment is as effective (probably more effective) than a week long punishment.
- duxup 7y agoI don't think it is that simple depending on the age. I'm willing to bet a 10 year old wouldn't think much of 10 minutes without a phone.
- tomcooks 7y agoTerrible article, terrible writing, terrible family.
- subjectsigma 7y agoHave you never interacted with real people or something? I can think of a lot worse ways to discipline your kid...
- DoreenMichele 7y agoThis is intended to be humor. Don't take it too literally. eating-uncooked-instant-noodles-straight-from-the-packet My sons learned that from me. I began doing it during my second pregnancy when even saltine crackers were not plain enough for my level of nausea. Yes, it's mind bogglingly messy.
- p1necone 7y agoI used to do that at school, but I'd add the flavoring packet. Ahh nostalgia.
- lucisferre 7y agoMmmmmm, open one side, dump the flavouring in and then smash it all up in the package and shake it up.
- devonkim 7y agoWe are pretty close to someone saying they actually tried doing this commercial https://youtu.be/YHQXBAjkmOQ https://youtu.be/YHQXBAjkmOQ
- user982 7y agoNext pregnancy, try plain matzo.
- silencio 7y agothis is a very popular south korean snack! https://www.theramenrater.com/tag/ppushu-ppushu/ https://www.theramenrater.com/tag/ppushu-ppushu/
- theramenrater 7y agoThere are many products like this in a few countries - Japan, Taiwan, Hong Kong, China, Malaysia to name a few. Malaysia's 'Mamee Monster' is particularly good - the spicy one.
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- johnchristopher 7y agoHey, that was fun :-).
- jaimex2 7y agoFZ One is a really good phone for this. Parental controls are baked into the OS network stack with a locked bootloader.
- tannhaeuser 7y agoIs "burner phone" Aussie slang or something? Anyway, I like it :)
- duxup 7y agoIt's a common term in the US in my experience, although as the article indicates it is usually a phrase related to crime.
- abathur 7y agoThe article suggests criminality, but I think use varies a little by context. Buying a phone to do crimes? I imagine want to pay cash, get something that doesn't require a global account login, and is cheap enough to toss early and often. Going through security points where you suspect they'll try to force you to log into accounts, dupe the device's contents, possibly install malware, etc? You might just be looking for something you can buy once you arrive that isn't prohibitively expensive and will be easy to re-sell for most of what you paid before you leave.
- trashcan 7y agoIt just means disposable or difficult to track. You burn it when you are done with it to eliminate a link to you.
- DonHopkins 7y agoIf you've never heard "burner phone" before, you probably haven't watched Breaking Bad, which was an American cultural touch-stone she mentioned, and an excellent show you'll likely enjoy (and I envy you being able to binge watch it now, instead of waiting week after week for the next episode): https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Breaking_Bad https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Breaking_Bad And then there's the "Breaking Phones" spin-off we really all wanted to see: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RNzS66iRcjw https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RNzS66iRcjw The actual "Breaking Bad" spin-off "Better Call Saul" has a whole multi-episode sub-plot about burner phones: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=89wXeYOls7o https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=89wXeYOls7o You can see how cool that burner phone must have made her daughter feel!
- pkaye 7y agoI honestly wouldn't mind a minimal feature super lightweight long battery life cell phone most of the time. Basically phone calls and SMS.
- tomxor 7y agoThey never stopped making them, they got better and better in terms of battery and weight. But you are not very likely to find them in a brick n mortar shop (at least not good ones), they only want to sell smart phones because that's where the money is. Shop online and there is plenty of choice... just don't cheap out on the £10-20 phones because they will really piss you off with bad UX, they might do mainly calls and text but you will be surprised how bad they can make that experience. I've got a £50 dumb nokia phone, it's lighter than any smartphone and last for 1-2 weeks on battery (it's about 5 years old), impossible to break, i never have to think about it or worry about it, it doesn't distract me until someone really needs to communicate with me... I love it, but then I never liked smart phones.
- war1025 7y agoAre there any that work with Verizon? I'm still using a phone that I got in 2011 because from what I can tell none of the feature phones work on Verizon towers.
- Consultant32452 7y agoLook for their prepaid phone offerings. There's some feature phones in that line up, and it'll work with any plan. On Amazon, search by carrier, sort by lowest price. Some are low end Android, but some are feature phones. In my experience really low end android phones have such little storage they might as well be feature phones. You could only get 1-2 apps on max if you tried.
- rootusrootus 7y agoBecause I was curious (and I am a Verizon customer), I took a look. Verizon Prepaid has exactly one feature phone available now: https://www.zteusa.com/cymbal-lte https://www.zteusa.com/cymbal-lte Amazon lists at least one more but look at the fine print, if it's a 3G model it can't be activated after the end of 2018.
- shurcooL 7y agoOne party trick some people miss about me is that for a number of years I carried around an iPad mini (with cellular) in my front jeans pocket. It was my primary and only mobile device. It was somewhat more inconvenient than a smaller phone, but not by as much as one would expect it to be. Having its bigger screen was an advantage in many situations though. I downsized to a large phone a year ago (partly because Apple neglected the iPad mini and I gave up waiting for a better version to come out).
- dgzl 7y agoWhat was the party trick?
- nefitty 7y agoMy main device used to be a cell-enabled Galaxy tablet. I would make calls over cell internet with Google Hangouts. It's big but it fit in my back pocket so I loved to just randomly pull it out and pretend I was taking a call. People who hadn't seen it before we're usually astonished, "Holy shit dude, that's a huge phone!" I guess not everybody had seen a tablet at that time, circa 2013 or so, and it worked almost every time. That was my party trick.
- xaqfox 7y agoAlways having an excuse for being happy to see people. "Why yes, that is an iPad in my pocket"
- dysoco 7y agoI would like to try a dumbphone for a while but no one here uses phone calls and SMS anymore, they have all shifted to Whatsapp and sometimes Instagram, so that's a bummer.
- t0astbread 7y agoI deleted my WhatsApp account a while ago. Luckily I have some supportive friends who still talk to me and forward important info (a lot of mandatory school info is distributed via WhatsApp) to me via SMS, email and phone calls. I do talk to less people overall though since pretty much everyone (especially young people) uses WhatsApp or Snapchat as their primary communication medium.
- t0astbread 7y agoOh and I'm not really confident in SMS either. It's just a makeshift solution for me. SS7 doesn't really evoke trust in terms of security and privacy.
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- thefounder 7y agoI think people use SMS and regular phone calls if they can't find you on whatsapp. Fortunately all have the "Phone" and SMS app already installed.
- nabdab 7y agoBack when the Motorola razer was the most popular mobile phone on the market, my sisters boyfriend had the sweetest tiny little flash drive sized dumb phone that I still think would be awesome to own every time I go on vacation and really want to leave reddit/Facebook/Snapchat and even hackernews at home without loosing the ability to call emergency services or fellow travelers when needs arise. Sadly that market is nowhere near attractive enough these days for anyone to care.
- blackflame7000 7y agoGet an Apple Watch, it has cellular
- livueta 7y agoIf you ever end up in the backcountry, you might want to consider a used Iridium phone. They can be found in good condition for significantly less than a flagship smartphone and check all the boxes for emergency, phone-only devices: small, rugged, makes phone calls, works very nearly anywhere without having to deal with local SIM cards or roaming, and expensive minutes provide an incentive to not use it for trivial stuff. Great for genuine emergencies and quick travel coordination, terrible for anything remotely resembling social media.
- adinobro 7y agoThere is still actually a large market for these phones in the developing world. As long as you are looking for GSM instead of CDMA and the frequencies are correct for your country have a look on sites like AliExpress and import them directly from China.
- aapjaap 7y agoThis reminds me of my kids responding to my gaming ban by playing space vs backspace in the windows login prompt
- leshokunin 7y agoThat’s amazingly creative!
- m463 7y agoIs that like being without quarters, but figuring out which arcade games actually DO something on the attract screen when you move the controls?
- znpy 7y agoWoah, who would have guessed? Kids are resourceful and can adapt?? Go figure. /s
- waynecochran 7y agoI settled on a cheap iPhone from Walmart for son which is almost totally locked down. He can call, text, listen to music. Not much else. As my child counselor told me "you are either the jerk or the sucker" -- I choose to be a jerk.
- Luke-Jr 7y agoDoesn't he know there are parental control apps? (Although my 10 year old figured out how to bypass those in a matter of days each time I closed the previous bypass-hole... and that was using a rooted OS I could SSH into. So maybe not so effective.)
- ativzzz 7y agoUsing parental controls is a great way to get kids to become hackers and learn to break said parental controls.
- FearNotDaniel 7y ago*she
- sys_64738 7y agoKids are smarter than us though!
- kccqzy 7y agoYou know iPhone has amazing MDM controls. Just download Apple Configurator and lock it down. You don't need a burner phone.
- Mo3 7y agoI've used a burner phone exclusively for ~6 months because of lack of financial funds. I loved that thing. Crystal clear calls, and while my fiancee had to recharge her smartphone every night I almost got to 2 weeks without charging and almost forgot that you actually have to charge it. It's a certain feeling of freedom. Unfortunately they don't run Slack so I just got an old S4, bought a huge aftermarket battery for it and optimized the kernel for energy saving and now I can still go 4-5 days in standby. Battery life is like drugs.
- tsukikage 7y agoI was the last of my circle to switch to a smartphone; I only made the leap about a year ago - the old dumb phone finally died, and when I looked online for a replacement all I could see was senior phones. I decided I wasn't ready for that yet - so marketing works I guess - so bought the smallest smart phone I could find (a Unihertz Jelly, fwiw). I have to say, I'm not impressed. * battery life down from two weeks to two days on standby. People assure me it's not just my choice of model, this is the new normal and I should just get into a habit of charging it every night. * generating dial tones during a call, as call tree systems generally require, is super awkward: you have to slide an unlock slider, then tap an icon to bring up the keypad, then dial the digit you want - all while looking at the screen, because unlike a real dial pad you cannot do this by feel - before the call tree prompt times out. Makes you feel like James Bond trying to defuse a bomb. * texting is awkward: instead of generating text with nine tactile buttons, you swipe around a drawing qwerty keyboard twice the size of your thumb in total. * I can't run the blackberry apps for connectivity to work because the Android version is incompatible, so it's no use as a smartphone for software reasons * The UI generally feels like an unfinished intern project: the phone takes ages to boot, apps are slow to open and crash often, some settings do not survive a power cycle, etc etc. Having worked with many Android devices in a previous job, I'm pretty convinced this is not actually down to my choice of phone model; they're all flaky and people are just used to it. iOS devices are noticeably better in this regard, but suffer from other problems (the worst of which is Apple's disregard for third party software - every OS update breaks something, and major ones break most things, so every year or two all the actually smart parts of the smartphone stop working, you lose whatever you had stored in them and have to switch to new ones). * The device is too small to comfortably read or browse internet on except in an emergency Some of that is on me for picking a tiny phone, but the bigger devices aren't really much better until they get too big for a jeans pocket, and fitting into my pocket really is a hard requirement for a device whose primary purpose is something I carry on me all the time to stay in touch with people. Like any self-respecting techie I have a tablet for reading/web browsing on a decent screen, and a laptop for when I want a real computer, so the flaky unreliable value-add does not seem to justify the broken core functionality of a mobile phone. I have now settled down into a working relationship of mutual hatred with the device, but I do miss the old phone that was just a phone. Maybe it is time to declare myself a senior after all.
- mcv 7y agoThat sense of humour certainly runs in the family. Also, teaching your kids about radio is a nice bonus.
- russellbeattie 7y agoI once punished my then-seventh-grader by locking all the apps on his iPhone for a week with a passcode. A few days later he forgets he's been punished and sends a text in front of me. "Hey! I thought I locked that down!" Turns out he found the instructions online to backup his phone and change the passcode. It took a bit of effort and technical understanding, and since I didn't even know it was possible, let alone that easy, he didn't get in trouble. (Though I told him if he did it again, he'd be in Serious Trouble, which is the top level of trouble above big and major). I'm a geek - if you can out-tech me, you win.