9 ms·
AMD Ryzen 7 3700X is such a hit it almost outsold Intel’s entire CPU range
- toast0 7y agoCertainly this is a great CPU, but there's also a question of pent up demand. Those in the market for a CPU without a clear deadline earlier this year would have decided to either buy an Intel CPU then, buy an AMD CPU then, or postpone the purchase until July when the new AMD chips were coming out.
- AnthonyMouse 7y agoThey're using numbers from one retailer. I imagine the chip really is selling well overall compared to past numbers, but there is a high risk this isn't a representative sample, especially the part about one model outselling all of Intel.
- blihp 7y agoIt's pretty much guaranteed it's not a representative sample of the total PC market but rather just the DIY/builder segment. The largest PC manufacturers (i.e. Lenovo, HP etc.) who ship the lion's share of the volume are slow to transition and they've only recently started adding AMD back as an option to their product lines, let alone really trying to move AMD boxes in volume.
- RantyDave 7y agoExactly. One German shop with boxes. I don't think this is where Intel make the majority of their money - which I presume is in supplying FANG plus Dell, HP etc etc.
- kayoone 7y agoeither way, it's good for the market that people choose AMD over Intel.
- isubasinghe 7y agoI needed to upgrade my i7-3770, the 3700x was too good of a deal. I saw a nice decrease in build times, can't wait to test how it is for gaming but I havent upgraded my GPU yet. Im still waiting for the AIB RX 5700's, Nvidia pricing is ridiculous in Aus
- shirro 7y agoAus dollar is lowest it has been for a decade. Pricing of everything is going to be ridiculous.
- LilBytes 7y agoWorth waiting out for specials. I picked up a ThreadRipper 2920Z from Computer Alliance just before EOFY for a (relatively) decent price at $950AUD.
- floatboth 7y agoHow's the local used market? Used Vega has been an incredible deal at least as of like half a year ago..
- Fnoord 7y agoLikely the price of Vega went down due to imminent release of 5700(X).
- isubasinghe 7y agoPrice of vega is quite cheap atm, likely due to the new navi cards, but not cheap enough to make it the better buy in terms of performance per dollar
- DavideNL 7y ago> Im still waiting for the AIB RX 5700's Curious, why are people waiting for these/what's the advantage?
- jayofdoom 7y ago
- CriticalCathed 7y agohard to find a better value than the 3600/3700. and it's certainly going to improve a few percentage points as the drivers/bios mature.
- tus88 7y agoIs anyone else holding on to their years old PC waiting for ddr5 to come out before upgrading?
- LilBytes 7y agoI was considering it but the prices on RAM have dropped a bit recently and my DDR3 was leaving a lot to be desired. Pulled the trigger and got 32GB of 3200Mhz of DDR4. I got 6 years out of my prior build, I'm sure my new build will last the same if not longer.
- tus88 7y agoI have a fx6300 with 24gb ddr3 and a 1070ti and win10 and I am quite happy with it still.
- AnthonyMouse 7y agoDepends what you're doing with it. Newer memory is usually very expensive when it first comes out, to the point that you can often get better performance by spending the same money on a system with the older memory and higher end other components. It's only really worth waiting if your workload is sufficiently memory bound (and most of them aren't). And, of course, if you're the sort who values performance over money then you buy a new one now and when the new memory comes out.
- tus88 7y agoI suppose I could also argue if you value money over performance you would not upgrade at all. That's me right now. I guess I am one of those people who absolutely hates the idea of swapping out the ram, motherboard and cpu just for a mid life upgrade. I would actually rather pay more to jump in at the beginning of a new era knowing I will be able to upgrade to a new cpu in 3 years time without upgrading everything else at the same time.
- AnthonyMouse 7y agoIf you want the mid life upgrade you can always build for it on purpose. A second gen Ryzen 5 is presumably a noticeable improvement over whatever DDR3 quad core it would be replacing, but then you get to upgrade it to a third or fourth gen Ryzen 9 later when the price comes down. That's one of the cheapest ways to stay semi-current, e.g. a Ryzen 5 2600 is $135 today on Newegg, add motherboard and 16GB memory and it's a little over $250. Then another $250 in three years for the Ryzen 9 from today, and the DDR5 version of the Ryzen 5 system three years after that. Much cheaper than buying the new thing the day it comes out (but also never as fast).
- trulyrandom 7y agoThe 3900X is also a big hit. It's such a big hit, that stores in Europe have not had any in stock since launch.
- c2h5oh 7y agoNot just EU, Canada too - I've been waiting for mine to ship for 3 weeks now.
- tinco 7y agoI bought three of them last week, the store seemed confident in a week and a half lead time. So I guess somewhere next week AMD will deliver a new batch to retailers.
- Macha 7y agoWhat store? I ordered from komplett on July 20th, they seemed pretty confident they were getting more (of which 3 were unsold) on Monday. On Wednesday they said they didn't get any, my order is on hold until they arrive. On Friday they said they don't know if they'll get any in August
- tinco 7y agoWe put the order in on wednesday, at Azerty.nl. I double checked their delivery and they reaffirmed it was 1.5 weeks, the only hold up was the ram, we need the DC stuff to outfit each machine with 128GB ram.
- mevile 7y agoAMD had poor forcasts and a poor showing though at their last earnings release.
- incompatible 7y agoI suppose that's why the market cap is only 31.96B, less than half the value of Uber, although more than Snap Inc.
- gridlockd 7y agoYou can't really compare an established semiconductor company that has real earnings with a fantasy of global domination in the transport industry. If you compare Intel vs AMD based on P/E, there's a lot of growth priced into AMD that has yet to materialize. Don't expect good earnings to push up the stock price even further. In fact, you can expect a drop even after good sales numbers, as traders will use that opportunity to sell.
- NicoJuicy 7y agoI think it was just this quarter. I loaded up stocks again. It had a nice decrease in value recently. They just need more preassembled computer market share. And with this performance it will happen. Every OEM would be insane to have no AMD. Servers are also getting AMD again. In 2000 it was 50, now it's 30 or something, coming from 10.
- rowanG077 7y agoNot sure how that is relevant to this discussion. That earnings release was before the current CPU lineup was released.
- mevile 7y agoThe lower forecast makes it relevant. Are they going to blow away their forecast given the response to the new lineup? They weren't able to predict demand? Or did they anticipate, and these increased sales aren't going to move the needle and their forecast was correct?
- Animats 7y agoWhat's going on with this part server-side?
- darkwater 7y agoWell AWS has got now lots of "a" suffixed instance types, which didn't exists a year ago. And they are cheaper.
- snvzz 7y ago>cheaper While also faster than the non-a variants.
- topspin 7y agoThe next generation of Zen server processors Eypc 2 (aka "Rome") launches next Wednesday, August 7.
- kreetx 7y agoCan anyone knowledgeable comment on the performance? Are the recent AMD CPUs generally better for their price than Intel ones, and are there any downsides? My personal context is compiling programs, but I do get that gamers is the other big market. And I guess this is mostly a choice for desktops, since laptops have a pre-made choice of CPU.
- 0-_-0 7y agoDepends on the workload. In games, Intel is still the leader (unless you're bottlenecked by the GPU in which case there's no difference). I expect this will change when game companies start optimizing for AMD CPUs, often games run faster when SMT is turned off. See for example: https://youtu.be/yqQ2X1y0jvw?t=892 https://youtu.be/yqQ2X1y0jvw?t=892 AMD is better in parallel workloads, like compression and especially Linux kernel compilation which takes advantage of the massive L3 cache.
- cheez 7y agoI can tell you unequivocally no AMD is not faster. I have both AMD and Intel CPUs and the latest AMD is still slower than last generation Intel CPUs on standard workloads. That being said... I have SSD and like 800 billion GB of RAM so I hardly notice the difference, but I definitely do notice a difference.
- deleted 7y ago[deleted]
- fabian2k 7y agoThey're generally cheaper than the Intel counterpart with similar performance. They're also significantly more power-efficient right now, mostly because they're one process node ahead of Intel. The single-core performance gets very close to the fastest Intel processors, and you can get a 12 core Ryzen now (and a 16 core later this year) while Intel is at most 8 cores on the mainstream desktop platform. There are differences in specific applications between Intel and AMD, but you'll have to look for individual benchmarks on this.
- snvzz 7y ago
- lota-putty 7y agoI suppose, 65W TDP was the USP of Ryzen 7 3700X together with performance for the price-tag. My last desktop's MB(D865GBF) got screwed 10 yrs back. Since Ryzen 7 3700X happened, I've developed an itch in my mind to assemble a gaming Desktop. Detailed analysis: https://www.anandtech.com/print/14605/the-and-ryzen-3700x-3900x-review-raising-the-bar https://www.anandtech.com/print/14605/the-and-ryzen-3700x-39...
- londons_explore 7y agoBy building with TSMC, AMD can ramp up production quicker than they could in their own fabs (since their orders are a smaller percentage of available capacity)
- floatboth 7y agoThey haven't had own fabs for like a decade.
- londons_explore 7y agoBut their competitor intel does. Intel regularly has delays due to limited fab scaling ability.
- theclaw 7y ago... Says a single German PC enthusiast retailer. Hardly representative. They could have just run a big Ryzen ad campaign or something. The clickbait headline suggests this is based on official numbers.
- thinkloop 7y agoWall Street probably has better numbers, AMD just tanked on earnings and sales: https://yhoo.it/2OC9q7y https://yhoo.it/2OC9q7y
- c2h5oh 7y agoEarnings call numbers were about Q2 with desktop CPU and GPU sales down due to long hyped new CPUs and GPUs launching on June 7th. PS4 and Xbox One are also long in the tooth now - semi-custom SoCs are down too. The article here is about sales after the June 7th launch which went really well.
- belltaco 7y agoThe launch was July 7th. Also, big Wall Street traders are known to go to extremes to find sales figures, like using photos from spy satellites of Walmart parking lots to estimate sales before earnings dates. If AMD's sales were truly spectacular, they would be loading up AMD stock by the bucketload right now.
- tru3_power 7y agoHaha that do you have any articles talking about that satellite thing? I feel like the finance industry has a lot of similarities with the security industry in terms of unconventional techniques used.
- belltaco 7y agohttps://newsroom.haas.berkeley.edu/how-hedge-funds-use-satellite-images-to-beat-wall-street-and-main-street/ https://newsroom.haas.berkeley.edu/how-hedge-funds-use-satel...
- madocom 7y agohello
- cturner 7y agoI have found the situation with ECC ram to be confusing. Some motherboard options seem to accept the RAM, without getting the benefit of the checksum. Does anyone know which of the motherboard options give the full benefit of ECC?
- lhl 7y agoMost motherboards should have support, but you can double-check the memory QVL for each board to see for ECC UDIMMs to use. ECC support should be based on the AMD IMC (on chip) and AGESA and should work with all Zen CPUs except for the consumer APUs. Here's the output from a Ryzen 7 1700 and an Asrock B350 board: lhl@z ~> journalctl -b | grep EDAC Jul 28 18:53:49 z kernel: EDAC MC: Ver: 3.0.0 Jul 28 18:53:50 z kernel: EDAC amd64: Node 0: DRAM ECC enabled. Jul 28 18:53:50 z kernel: EDAC amd64: F17h detected (node 0). Jul 28 18:53:50 z kernel: EDAC MC: UMC0 chip selects: Jul 28 18:53:50 z kernel: EDAC amd64: MC: 0: 8192MB 1: 0MB Jul 28 18:53:50 z kernel: EDAC amd64: MC: 2: 0MB 3: 0MB Jul 28 18:53:50 z kernel: EDAC amd64: MC: 4: 0MB 5: 0MB Jul 28 18:53:50 z kernel: EDAC amd64: MC: 6: 0MB 7: 0MB Jul 28 18:53:50 z kernel: EDAC MC: UMC1 chip selects: Jul 28 18:53:50 z kernel: EDAC amd64: MC: 0: 8192MB 1: 0MB Jul 28 18:53:50 z kernel: EDAC amd64: MC: 2: 0MB 3: 0MB Jul 28 18:53:50 z kernel: EDAC amd64: MC: 4: 0MB 5: 0MB Jul 28 18:53:50 z kernel: EDAC amd64: MC: 6: 0MB 7: 0MB Jul 28 18:53:50 z kernel: EDAC amd64: using x8 syndromes. Jul 28 18:53:50 z kernel: EDAC amd64: MCT channel count: 2 Jul 28 18:53:50 z kernel: EDAC MC0: Giving out device to module amd64_edac controller F17h: DEV 0000:00:18.3 (INTERRUPT) Jul 28 18:53:50 z kernel: EDAC PCI0: Giving out device to module amd64_edac controller EDAC PCI controller: DEV 0000:00:18.0 (POLLED) Jul 28 18:53:50 z kernel: AMD64 EDAC driver v3.5.0 Jul 28 18:53:57 z systemd[1]: Starting Initialize EDAC v3.0.0 Drivers For Machine Hardware... Jul 28 18:53:57 z systemd[1]: Started Initialize EDAC v3.0.0 Drivers For Machine Hardware. lhl@z ~> edac-ctl --status edac-ctl: drivers are loaded. lhl@z ~> edac-ctl --mainboard edac-ctl: mainboard: ASRock AB350 Gaming-ITX/ac lhl@z ~> edac-util -v mc0: 0 Uncorrected Errors with no DIMM info mc0: 0 Corrected Errors with no DIMM info mc0: csrow0: 0 Uncorrected Errors mc0: csrow0: mc#0csrow#0channel#0: 0 Corrected Errors mc0: csrow0: mc#0csrow#0channel#1: 0 Corrected Errors edac-util: No errors to report.
- deleted 7y ago[deleted]
- esistgut 7y agoJust upgraded from my old i5-4430 to the new 3700x. I'm very happy for the performance upgrade but there are a couple issues. I had to install Ubuntu using the netboot image because of the RDRAND bug affecting systemd. Systemd has already been patched with a workaround but the old one is hardcoded in the standard Ubuntu ISO. As usual the drivers for new hardware are lacking on Linux, as far as I know temperatures and fan controls are off the table until Linux 5.4.
- nosianu 7y agoDepending on how quickly your mainboard manufacturer reacted there should be a BIOS update for the RDRAND issue: https://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_item&px=AMD-Releases-Linux-Zen2-Fix https://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_item&px=AMD-Rele...
- esistgut 7y agoThis has been revoked because it was rushed and introduced other bugs.
- wiradikusuma 7y agoI built my new PC with AMD (Ryzen 5), so far happy with the price/performance, but for some reason I can't make any Android emulator (x86) to run.
- lobster45 7y agoI had an opportunity to decide on what cpu to use for our company’s system refresh last October. We have about 300 laptops and 150 desktops. The only restriction was it had to be a certain Dell latitude version or Dell Optiplex. Dell did not offer any AMD CPU’s for those models at that time. I haven’t checked since. We decided to go with intel core i7. This was a lost opportunity as the Dell rep explained that in order to have the Amd chip, Dell would need to change the motherboard and other items and those systems were designed for Intel. I am disappointed but the corporate restriction on which model to use had to do with the corporate images that were only compatible with those models
- oceanghost 7y agoMay I ask a question? Looking to build a machine for 4k video editing, music production, and light ML. Where do I want to be right now?
- narohi 7y agoThreadripper.
- webninja 7y agoApparently the option’s market is betting that AMD’s stock will be roughly $31 in 1 year. Last time I checked it was about $30 which is hardly a gain.