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Exactly - I love how people think these scooters are “clean” when piles of them are ferried around in gas guzzling cars every night (farther distances than the
by algaeontoast 7y ago
Exactly - I love how people think these scooters are “clean” when piles of them are ferried around in gas guzzling cars every night (farther distances than the scooter should themselves cover “under electric propulsion”).
I have an electric unicycle I absolutely love and recommend the use of personal electric transport to everyone. But scooter sharing is dumb and makes cities look trashy.
- ben_w 7y agoIf they’re only rounded up once a night by a petrol car, but in the daytime they did four trips each, then they are still saving most of the energy cost of the short trips even before you account for the collection trip by the car being one trip for many vehicles. Also, they’re not always collected by cars. I was in Vienna recently, and saw someone collecting electric scooters by piling them onto another electric scooter.
- kyruzic 7y agoThe scooters are not replacing what a car would have been used for in the majority of cases. They're replacing walking or cycling. So no they are not saving energy.
- ben_w 7y agoAll the people I’ve asked who have used them or considered using them were replacing taxis. If they have a bike, or if the destination is close enough to walk, there’s no need to use something “that expensive”.
- kyruzic 7y agoCool anecdote.
- IshKebab 7y agoRight but the article also says that ⅓ of people who used then would have otherwise used a car. And I'd expect the actual number to be a bit higher because people like to appear healthy and green. So they are displacing cars.
- kyruzic 7y agoSo you recognize the facts say the majority would not have been car rides, but you still believe for a poorly thought out reason that it must be mainly replacing cars. Your arguments all suck. Go read my other comments for why they are in no way green.
- Karrot_Kream 7y agoHuh? If the carbon saved by not driving cars offsets the carbon generated by those who would otherwise walk or bike but are now using scooters, then aren't we saving on carbon?
- kyruzic 7y agoPlease read the article before asking the exact question the article is answering.
- ben_w 7y agoI have looked at your comments, they appear to consist of rhetoric rather than quantified data. That is an even poorer form of argument than using anecdotes — Anecdotes are data, just not statistically high quality data. How much CO2 does an electric scooter emit per passenger kilometre over its lifetime? What journeys are they used for? How much CO2 would be emitted by the same people performing the same journeys by alternate means of transport if the scooters did not exist?
- kyruzic 7y agoYou're trying way too hard to sound smart. Imagine this. You tell me people can't get to the moon because it's expensive. Then I say the majority of people I talk to have been to the moon. Is my argument better because it's "data" based versus your rhetoric based argument? No it's not even close. And an argument backed up by data is not somehow more meaningful than all others forms of argument. You can go look to nearly ever mathematical field for proof of that. Besides that anecdotes are not data. They aren't just not high quality data, they are not data. You cannot just state something you may or may not have truthfully heard and then call it data. >How much CO2 does an electric scooter emit per passenger kilometre over its lifetime? What journeys are they used for? How much CO2 would be emitted by the same people performing the same journeys by alternate means of transport if the scooters did not exist? This is an impossibly complex set of questions. But what you're basically saying is the scooters emit less (CO2 is not the only emissions that matters) than whatever transportation would have been used otherwise. This isn't true. This is literally what the article this thread is about says.
- hdfbdtbcdg 7y agoThey are replacing city bikes in cities with city bikes.
- algaeontoast 7y agoPiling e-scooters on another scooter is dangerous and idiotic... This is not how a majority of e-scooters are picked up and re-distributed...