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Being in Florence two weeks ago when it was 104F was downright unpleasant. The locals I was with said they don’t remember it being this hot for this long either

Being in Florence two weeks ago when it was 104F was downright unpleasant. The locals I was with said they don’t remember it being this hot for this long either.

csomar 7y ago
I can confirm the whole Mediterranean region near Italy is going through successive heatwaves. Previously, it is not uncommon to have 40C days in the summer. But it is just a few random days. It is almost normal week/heatwave week now. Tomorrow temperature around Tunis will be in the 41-45C range. That's very uncommon for this coastal city.
ci5er 7y ago
And it was snowing in Denver on Memorial day. Weather is not climate, yada yada. What is it going to take to get a global consensus that we'd like to have unadjusted temperature data, not controlled by adjusters that have a funding agenda? What would it take to get a little raw data up in the house?
- mythrwy 7y ago
  Hear Hear! A little raw data up in here please!
- NeedMoreTea 7y ago
  It's probably out there. I imagine most Meteorological agencies have it available. The UK's Met Office historic has raw station readings going as far back as the station. Some go back further than others, unsurprisingly. https://www.metoffice.gov.uk/research/climate/maps-and-data/historic-station-data https://www.metoffice.gov.uk/research/climate/maps-and-data/...
- claytongulick 7y ago
  There's a strong political bias here, but the data is compelling: https://realclimatescience.com/ https://realclimatescience.com/ he compares a lot of raw data to "adjusted" data. He claims that the reported temperatures are fraudulent: https://realclimatescience.com/understanding-noaa-us-temperature-fraud/ https://realclimatescience.com/understanding-noaa-us-tempera... I'm not an expert, but what I see there is pretty compelling, I've never really found a good refutation anywhere.
  - demilicious 7y ago
    What’s the motive for reporting inflated temperatures?
- Daishiman 7y ago
  The fact that you even claim that this is a problem means that you have no interest in a debate and are just another mindless denier, because even a cursory study of the topic at hand shows that issues of measument calibration are completely unimportant.
  - ci5er 7y ago
    Ummm. You said what? I've been keeping track of data monthly for 30 years, and syncing with government sources of same, and you besmirch yourself. The fact is: this could well be a crisis. But governments covering data for political reasons does nothing to inspire confidence, regardless of the squealing of pantywaists. To wit- you don't spend trillions of other people's money on your night terrors
    - Daishiman 7y ago
      So... do you doubt the data? Do you doubt that the warmest years on record have happened in this past decade? Are you implying that calibration errors actually explain anything when the facts in question are obvious?
      - ci5er 7y ago
        I do. I doubt all data all of the time. Why don't you? EDIT: We can actually get into it, about the data and adjustments, but ultimately everything (on both sides) is so contaminated and ugly that I don't really understand how anyone can become a zealot. From what I can tell, maybe, this year is 0.14degC LESS warm than average. You don't see that on the new, but it isn't any less credible than the sources you do. EVERYONE IS LYING ABOUT EVERYTHING ALL OF THE TIME.

Being in Florence two weeks ago when it was 104F was downright unpleasant. The locals I was with said they don’t remember it being this hot for this long either.

csomar 7y ago

I can confirm the whole Mediterranean region near Italy is going through successive heatwaves. Previously, it is not uncommon to have 40C days in the summer. But it is just a few random days. It is almost normal week/heatwave week now. Tomorrow temperature around Tunis will be in the 41-45C range. That's very uncommon for this coastal city.

ci5er 7y ago

And it was snowing in Denver on Memorial day. Weather is not climate, yada yada. What is it going to take to get a global consensus that we'd like to have unadjusted temperature data, not controlled by adjusters that have a funding agenda? What would it take to get a little raw data up in the house?

mythrwy 7y ago
Hear Hear! A little raw data up in here please!
NeedMoreTea 7y ago
It's probably out there. I imagine most Meteorological agencies have it available. The UK's Met Office historic has raw station readings going as far back as the station. Some go back further than others, unsurprisingly. https://www.metoffice.gov.uk/research/climate/maps-and-data/historic-station-data https://www.metoffice.gov.uk/research/climate/maps-and-data/...
claytongulick 7y ago
There's a strong political bias here, but the data is compelling: https://realclimatescience.com/ https://realclimatescience.com/ he compares a lot of raw data to "adjusted" data. He claims that the reported temperatures are fraudulent: https://realclimatescience.com/understanding-noaa-us-temperature-fraud/ https://realclimatescience.com/understanding-noaa-us-tempera... I'm not an expert, but what I see there is pretty compelling, I've never really found a good refutation anywhere.
- demilicious 7y ago
  What’s the motive for reporting inflated temperatures?
Daishiman 7y ago
The fact that you even claim that this is a problem means that you have no interest in a debate and are just another mindless denier, because even a cursory study of the topic at hand shows that issues of measument calibration are completely unimportant.
- ci5er 7y ago
  Ummm. You said what? I've been keeping track of data monthly for 30 years, and syncing with government sources of same, and you besmirch yourself. The fact is: this could well be a crisis. But governments covering data for political reasons does nothing to inspire confidence, regardless of the squealing of pantywaists. To wit- you don't spend trillions of other people's money on your night terrors
  - Daishiman 7y ago
    So... do you doubt the data? Do you doubt that the warmest years on record have happened in this past decade? Are you implying that calibration errors actually explain anything when the facts in question are obvious?
    - ci5er 7y ago
      I do. I doubt all data all of the time. Why don't you? EDIT: We can actually get into it, about the data and adjustments, but ultimately everything (on both sides) is so contaminated and ugly that I don't really understand how anyone can become a zealot. From what I can tell, maybe, this year is 0.14degC LESS warm than average. You don't see that on the new, but it isn't any less credible than the sources you do. EVERYONE IS LYING ABOUT EVERYTHING ALL OF THE TIME.