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> Whereas you're talking about the sort of imaginary world where everybody begins a novel by perusing the copyright notice (…) Not so much. I'm referring to a
by masswerk 7y ago
> Whereas you're talking about the sort of imaginary world where everybody begins a novel by perusing the copyright notice (…)
Not so much. I'm referring to a world where different weight and importance apply to different matter. There are things that are important and things that are really important (like your bank connection) and it is really the latter which matter.
> Users (…) e annoyed that they can't switch it off since it wastes space with things they don't care about (…)
With much the same anticipation we may expect users to hate the Start menu in Windows, since it occupies some space and they neither understand nor use it. Now guess, what happened. (Turns out, users are interested in knowing how to control their devices.)
Regarding prefetching, this was just escalating the idea. (In actuality, I'm not a friend of prefetching for any means. Don't waste bandwidth on a general level, just because you can't serve your assets in a time span that had been barely bearable with modems.)
- Dylan16807 7y agoThe start button occupies the corner of a bar that already has to be there. No additional screen space is taken up. And users often autohide that bar. But more importantly, user control is not at all the same thing as throwing a bunch of useless data at the user. Is it the site? Yes or no.
- masswerk 7y agoYou know that this was an actual case with some publicity? Regarding throwing a bunch of information at the user, while a binary "good" vs "bad" would do, this is ultimately an argument to authority and neither enabling nor enlightening. Moreover, who became this authority on what merits and by what process?
- Dylan16807 7y agoWhat was an actual case? "expecting users to hate the start menu"?
- masswerk 7y agoMS removing the Start button on the Windows 8 desktop in favor of the tiles of the Modern UI start page (formerly Metro) for a more mobile-like, simpler, and allegedly purer/cleaner app experience, massive user protests, and MS finally reintroducing the Start button and the Start menu. Never heard of this?
- Dylan16807 7y agoOh, if that's what you were talking about then I don't understand your comment at all. The start menu doesn't occupy space during normal use. (That's why I though you meant the start button.) You were talking about getting rid of something that occupied space, but they didn't get rid of the start menu. In fact they made it bigger when activated. And the changes they made had nothing to do with whether the user can control their device. So I don't think any argument based on the windows 8 start menu is suitable for saying that an extra bar is a good idea. Oh well, thanks for clarifying.
- masswerk 7y agoThe button did occupy some space and MS apparently went for a "cleaner" (and simpler) look. Also, the traditional start menu was found to be too complex. (The entire Modern UI revolution with Full screen apps in the front was about a mobile-like simplification on the desktop.) I do see some parallels to this.