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It is 2019 and this came out in 2015. At a minimum, these are the world's slowest blood hounds. I'm not privy to German politics but if the political situatio

It is 2019 and this came out in 2015. At a minimum, these are the world's slowest blood hounds. I'm not privy to German politics but if the political situation is ANYTHING like what I would expect, diligent prosecution of corporate malfeasance is roughly the last priority of government prosecutors, well behind prosecuting jaywalking and spitting on the sidewalk.

phoenixdblack 7y ago
you are completely right, except for the fact that jaywalking isn't a crime in germany.
skgoa 7y ago
Sorry, but you are completely incorrect in this matter. White collar crime is prosecuted fiercly in Germany, especially when it's a case that got public attention. However it takes far longer than it would in the US, because prosecutors are extremely thorough to guarantee a conviction. We have far less of an acceptance of plea bargains. Pre-trial deals are almost unheard of, because the defendent can "come clean" at any time of the trial and the timing must not enter the judgement to their detriment. OTOH a defendent also has nothing to gain from co-operating early beyond whatever he/she is absolutely required by law to do. This means that the prosecussion will almost always have to do the entire work of proving beyond any reasonable doubt that the accused is guilty. Which they have to do on paper long before the first hearing is held. Hence, cases brought to trial in Germany are generally water-tight. Stadler is almost definitely going to prison. The only question is for how long and who else he implicates.
- Scoundreller 7y ago
  But is there a difference between how, say, $1m in embezzling funds from a corporation or defrauding someone out of their money is prosecuted, versus doing something that props up your national industry?
  - wsy 7y ago
    No, as the case at hand shows. Actually, the prosecutors seem to have done an amazing job, given that usually top management manages to isolate themselves quite will from shady practices of their corporation.
Tomte 7y ago
No, they are thorough. And in contrast to the United States, prosecutors are legally barred from issuing those juicy statements you seem to expect, while the investigation is ongoing. But tell me, how long did it take from the famous Otis Wright judgment and referral to the U.S. attorney to indictments? Five years or so?

phoenixdblack 7y ago

you are completely right, except for the fact that jaywalking isn't a crime in germany.

skgoa 7y ago

Sorry, but you are completely incorrect in this matter. White collar crime is prosecuted fiercly in Germany, especially when it's a case that got public attention. However it takes far longer than it would in the US, because prosecutors are extremely thorough to guarantee a conviction. We have far less of an acceptance of plea bargains. Pre-trial deals are almost unheard of, because the defendent can "come clean" at any time of the trial and the timing must not enter the judgement to their detriment. OTOH a defendent also has nothing to gain from co-operating early beyond whatever he/she is absolutely required by law to do. This means that the prosecussion will almost always have to do the entire work of proving beyond any reasonable doubt that the accused is guilty. Which they have to do on paper long before the first hearing is held. Hence, cases brought to trial in Germany are generally water-tight. Stadler is almost definitely going to prison. The only question is for how long and who else he implicates.

Scoundreller 7y ago
But is there a difference between how, say, $1m in embezzling funds from a corporation or defrauding someone out of their money is prosecuted, versus doing something that props up your national industry?
- wsy 7y ago
  No, as the case at hand shows. Actually, the prosecutors seem to have done an amazing job, given that usually top management manages to isolate themselves quite will from shady practices of their corporation.

Tomte 7y ago

No, they are thorough. And in contrast to the United States, prosecutors are legally barred from issuing those juicy statements you seem to expect, while the investigation is ongoing. But tell me, how long did it take from the famous Otis Wright judgment and referral to the U.S. attorney to indictments? Five years or so?